Evidence showing evolution from one species to another

[First Baseman]

Are they the same kind?? I don't know.

No, you don't know, but you can guess the same way scientists do. Go for it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I never said I had tested them. They simply aren't testable. But the testator is quite reliable since He was there when it happened and is the perfect God Almighty. None of your scientists were there. They are simply playing guessing games.

Oh that's how this works. You demand the highest standards of testing and evidence when it comes to anything you don't believe in, but you can just throw out whatever unsubstantiated claims you like when it comes to gods?

Okay. The information that the Googly-Eyed Master of the Universe tells me is quite reliable because she was there when she created the universe and she cannot tell a lie. She says she created the universe 25 minutes ago when she passed gas after eating a bad burrito. You were not there with the Googly-Eyed Master of the Universe when it happened so what do you know? How do we tell who's right?

 

[outhouse]

How do we tell who's right?

Ask the spotted unicorn, he will claim that is credible to.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, you don't know, but you can guess the same way scientists do. Go for it.

Right, so like I said, no creationist I've ever encountered appears to be capable of providing any kind of workable definition of the word "kind" that they like to throw all over the place.

It's like you're trying to prove my point for me. I'd prefer an answer though.

 

[First Baseman]

Oh, so when you said:





earlier today, you simply just made those things up? Or do you just hold contradictory positions when it's convenient?

I said substantiated, not proved. You're putting words in my posts that aren't there.

God has provided me with the facts I need through the Holy Spirit. Obviously that can't happen for an atheist.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Why couldn't god have designed evolution? Most of the Christians I encounter in my day-to-day life seem to think he could have.

 

[outhouse]

God has provided me with the facts

Name one

 

[dust1n]

Rather, you've just shown, if you've shown anything, is how Noah got all the animals on the ark. He only needed two of each kind.

"Getting an accurate count.

We can finally begin to make some calculations. Robert D. Barnes lists the number of living species for each phylum, ranging from the sole member of Placozoa to the 923,000 in Arthropoda (pp. 12, 85-88). Using his figures, we arrive at a total of 1,177,920 species.
In addition, there are many animals that are as yet unknown. Wendt estimates that only 2 percent of all the parasitic worms are known, which would easily add another million species (p. 83). This includes as many as 500,000 nematodes, although only 15,000 have been described (Levine, p. 1). Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered every year, yet still only a small fraction of those in existence have been found (Atkins, p. 45).

All of those creatures were known at one time, for Adam gave them all names (Genesis 2:19-20), and, since they exist today, they must have been on the ark. But we shall be extremely generous to the creationists and add only 500,000 undiscovered species to our figure of 1,177,920—thus giving a mere 1,677,920 species with which Noah had to contend.

To this number, we must add the myriad of extinct prehistoric animals, which creationists assure us were alive at the time of the flood, making tracks in the Paluxy River, and which were known to Job afterward (John Morris, 1980, p. 65). This would vastly increase the numbers, since "only a tiny percentage of the animal and plant species that have ever existed are alive today" (Kear, p. 10). However, since creationists do not believe in transitional forms, we can again give them the benefit of the doubt and add to our total only the 200,000 different fossils that have been described. This brings the number to 1,877,920 species or animal pairs that were to be boarded onto the ark.

Of course, we can't forget that Genesis 7:2-3 (particularly in the Revised Standard Version) makes it clear that only unclean animals come in single pairs, male and female; the clean animals and birds come in seven pairs, male and female. That means fourteen of each clean animal and each bird. But since figures for the number of clean animals are hard to find, we will have to let creationists off the hook and ignore them. Birds are another story. There are 8,590 species of birds. Since they have already been calculated into our figure of 1,877,920 species or 3,755,840 individual animals on the ark, we need only six more pairs of each species of bird to make it come out to seven pairs. That brings our count up to a grand total of 3,858,920 animals aboard the ark—two of each species, except birds which number fourteen each."

And remember that:

"The ark is to be made out of gopher wood according to a plan that calls for the ark to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide, and thirty cubits tall (450x75x45 feet, according to most creationists. See Segraves, p. 11). It is to contain three floors, a large door in the side, and a one cubit square window at the top. The floors are to be divided into rooms, and all the walls, inside and out, are to be pitched with pitch. Since the purpose of the ark is to hold animals and plants, particularly two of "every living thing of all flesh . . . to keep them alive with thee" (Genesis 6:19), it will have to be constructed accordingly."

http://ncse.com/cej/4/1/impossible-voyage-noahs-ark

 

[First Baseman]

Ask the spotted unicorn, he will claim that is credible to.

He's about as credible as academia at believing things are facts based on assumption. Maybe more so.

 

[outhouse]

you can guess the same way scientists do

Your no one to talk down to any scientist.


Are you hypocritical all the time?


Scientist did not guess on that computer your using

 

[dust1n]

God has provided me with the facts I need through the Holy Spirit. Obviously that can't happen for an atheist.

I see. And science has provided me with actual facts that I can show (while God has provided you with facts that no one else can know and haven't been tested in any manner) through the tons and tons of research. Obviously that can't happen for a creationist.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Those are all dogs!

You have dem baby dogs and you have dem big dogs.

And no amount of education and knowledge or does dirty scientist can change my mind!

It's not confusing at all, even though a simple definition can't even be provided. Google it up! Duh!

 

[First Baseman]

"Getting an accurate count.

We can finally begin to make some calculations. Robert D. Barnes lists the number of living species for each phylum, ranging from the sole member of Placozoa to the 923,000 in Arthropoda (pp. 12, 85-88). Using his figures, we arrive at a total of 1,177,920 species.
In addition, there are many animals that are as yet unknown. Wendt estimates that only 2 percent of all the parasitic worms are known, which would easily add another million species (p. 83). This includes as many as 500,000 nematodes, although only 15,000 have been described (Levine, p. 1). Ten thousand new species of insects are discovered every year, yet still only a small fraction of those in existence have been found (Atkins, p. 45).

All of those creatures were known at one time, for Adam gave them all names (Genesis 2:19-20), and, since they exist today, they must have been on the ark. But we shall be extremely generous to the creationists and add only 500,000 undiscovered species to our figure of 1,177,920—thus giving a mere 1,677,920 species with which Noah had to contend.

To this number, we must add the myriad of extinct prehistoric animals, which creationists assure us were alive at the time of the flood, making tracks in the Paluxy River, and which were known to Job afterward (John Morris, 1980, p. 65). This would vastly increase the numbers, since "only a tiny percentage of the animal and plant species that have ever existed are alive today" (Kear, p. 10). However, since creationists do not believe in transitional forms, we can again give them the benefit of the doubt and add to our total only the 200,000 different fossils that have been described. This brings the number to 1,877,920 species or animal pairs that were to be boarded onto the ark.

Of course, we can't forget that Genesis 7:2-3 (particularly in the Revised Standard Version) makes it clear that only unclean animals come in single pairs, male and female; the clean animals and birds come in seven pairs, male and female. That means fourteen of each clean animal and each bird. But since figures for the number of clean animals are hard to find, we will have to let creationists off the hook and ignore them. Birds are another story. There are 8,590 species of birds. Since they have already been calculated into our figure of 1,877,920 species or 3,755,840 individual animals on the ark, we need only six more pairs of each species of bird to make it come out to seven pairs. That brings our count up to a grand total of 3,858,920 animals aboard the ark—two of each species, except birds which number fourteen each."

And remember that:

"The ark is to be made out of gopher wood according to a plan that calls for the ark to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide, and thirty cubits tall (450x75x45 feet, according to most creationists. See Segraves, p. 11). It is to contain three floors, a large door in the side, and a one cubit square window at the top. The floors are to be divided into rooms, and all the walls, inside and out, are to be pitched with pitch. Since the purpose of the ark is to hold animals and plants, particularly two of "every living thing of all flesh . . . to keep them alive with thee" (Genesis 6:19), it will have to be constructed accordingly."

http://ncse.com/cej/4/1/impossible-voyage-noahs-ark

Robert Barnes' guesses are probably not correct, to say the least. Further, they are based on his belief system, which ignores the fact that no billions of years passed before the flood. Therefore, Mr. Barnes' guesses are easily ruled out.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, you don't know, but you can guess the same way scientists do. Go for it.

I don't think you know either. So maybe you should stop talking about it, unless you like to talk about things you don't understand.

 

[outhouse]

you like to talk about things you don't understand

All he has said since he joined was he could not control his carnal lust.

As far as religion and science, ya he doesn't seem to understand either.

 

[First Baseman]

Well, what have we proved here?

1. No solid proof exists for any of the various subjects discussed.
2. People choose to interpret evidence based on their predetermined world view.

Have a good night, gentlemen.

 

[dust1n]

"The ark is to be made out of gopher wood according to a plan that calls for the ark to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide, and thirty cubits tall (450x75x45 feet, according to most creationists. See Segraves, p. 11)."

"Barnes lists the number of living species for each phylum, ranging from the sole member of Placozoa to the 923,000 in Arthropoda (pp. 12, 85-88). Using his figures, we arrive at a total of 1,177,920 species."

450 x 75 x 45= 1,518,750 cubic feet. 1,177,290 x 2 = 2,354,580 individual animals.

That's 1.55 animals every cubic foot. I wonder where the elephants and food went.

 

[outhouse]

before the flood.

Before the flood mythology?

 

[outhouse]

Well, what have we proved here?

Your are 100% unwilling to debate.

1. No solid proof exists for any of the various subjects discussed.

You will never provide credible evidence to support your position.

2. People choose to interpret evidence based on their predetermined world view.

You choose to refuse all evidence no matter how logical or reasonable it was, while being presented to you with the patients of others.

 

[dust1n]

1. No solid proof exists for any of the various subjects discussed.
2. People choose to interpret evidence based on their predetermined world view.

Yes, either their predetermined world view is the Bible which was personally dictated by God and is completely incapable of being in error, thus not looking at any science whatsoever we can conclude evolution isn't true. Or their predetermined world view isn't the sometimes incorrect Bible, which is just one of many books, so they just study biology, and we can conclude that evolution is most likely the explanation for all the diversity of life.

Robert Barnes' guesses are probably not correct, to say the least. Further, they are based on his belief system, which ignores the fact that no billions of years passed before the flood. Therefore, Mr. Barnes' guesses are easily ruled out.

Okay, lets look at consensus based guess:

"Estimates on the number of Earth's current species range from 10 million to 14 million,[4] of which about 1.2 million have been documented and over 86 percent have not yet been described.[5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_biodiversity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_biodiversity
Eh, but their guess is probably wrong too, so we can just ignore it without actually validating that it isn't true at all.