Even if this were true, "practically zero" is still not-zero. The universe is tens of billions of years old and so large as to be nigh-impossible to comprehend. Eventually, those odds will play out. Nothing is lost, so 'failure' states are just temporary. Give anything enough time and the odds of it occurring approach 1.
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Evidence showing evolution from one species to another
- Thread starter leibowde84
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Source please.
I'm no expert, but a theory of how life evolves from species to species doesn't depend on abiogenesis at all. It depends on observation and analysis.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Where did the first life form from which evolution "occurred" come from? Evolutionists will always have to deal with this question, like it or not. No abiogenesis and no creation, no life and no evolution.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
So we expect to see pink giraffes, leprechauns, living moons and dinosaurs reemerge? According to you we do.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
I can't find it now but entertain yourself with this:
https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-against-evolution/probability/does-evolution-have-a-chance/
Give it enough time and anything not rendered impossible by basic physical laws(no Godzilla, for instance, because Square-cubed is a ***** and likes to rain on everyone's parades) will happen, yes. As for dinosaurs reemerging..they never left. Birds are dinosaurs. The ones that are left, anyway.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
The difference is that we know bikes and motorcycles are designed from without.
We know physical life can be designed from without -because we do it.
We also know physical life designs itself from within partially in response to what is without.
Evidence that internal changes were made to physical life forms from without would be very difficult to find -especially after much time.
We can design systems which change from within partially in response to what is without. We can program those systems to also make specific predetermined changes over time.
If we clone a pair of animals -or perhaps designed a new species and placed a pair in the forest to reproduce, what sort of evidence would be found by someone unaware?
We do not know whether evolution itself was designed -because the process could have been designed and set in motion even before the Big Bang -some time afterward by manipulation of natural processes -some combination of such things, etc.
Also, God is said to act by fiat -manipulating physical things by directly interfacing -by will alone.
How could one find evidence of one who could tweak DNA just by thinking about it?
Anyway -I've been wondering recently whether we are able to program DNA to make specific changes in a certain number of generations -or other such things -designing species from within only to be evident later (which would also adapt to their environment) -potentially designing the emergence of many species over time.
Also.... Whether the elements are the true machine code for life -or whether code can exist within the elements. We may assume each atom of a certain element is exactly the same -but are we sure?
Furthermore.... We believe it possible that radiation drives evolutionary mutation.
Radiation is associated with communication.
Is it possible for us to steer evolution from afar?
Nobody knows, but the fact that we are here discussing it proves that life did begin. We don't have to know how it happened in order to know that it did happen.
Yep, lots of problems in there.The basic foundation of the arguments on that page is that evolution and abiogenesis are completely random, which they are not. It also makes the erroneous claim that evolution excludes God.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
First Baseman
Retired athlete
(Facepalm)
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Your opinions are noted. Thank you.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
"Since evolution doesn't say anything about the origins of life, you're likely to find quite a variety of ideas.
Also, "evolutionist" is a straw man as we do not call people "gravitationist," or "germist," or "dopplerist," or "thermodynamicist," or so on."
An evolutionist is simply a person who believes in the theory of evolution. And evolution says that life came about randomly, as a random pure chance event. So yes, evolutionists must deal with where the first life form came from since evolution is all about the first life form "evolving" into other life forms.
Also, "evolutionist" is a straw man as we do not call people "gravitationist," or "germist," or "dopplerist," or "thermodynamicist," or so on."
An evolutionist is simply a person who believes in the theory of evolution. And evolution says that life came about randomly, as a random pure chance event. So yes, evolutionists must deal with where the first life form came from since evolution is all about the first life form "evolving" into other life forms.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
There's a difference between how the metal, paint, plastic, screws, and bolts were produced and how the car is constructed using those materials. Abiogenesis has to do with the source of life, how it began. Evolution has to do with the changes of life, how it continued. Evolution could have started with the first life created by God.
Yes, and Christians will always have to deal, or should deal, with the fact that God created His most important being, (in His image, the very reason the Universe exists), in the form and shape of a hairless gorilla.
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- viole
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Yes, it could have. Yet atheists are sure there is no god? Hmmm.
First Baseman
Retired athlete
Opinion noted. Thank you.
dust1n
Zindīq
No, it doesn't. It makes no statements regarding how "life came about."
Not really. If life came about by some other means, like God or a group of aliens put life on Earth, then evolution theory would still be the most reasonable explanation for how allele frequencies change in populations over time, and common descent would be no less true.
Ever seen an Emu? Do you know that it doesn't have wings? It has arms. With a claw. Not wings. Arms. Useless arms, utterly useless, without any tendon or muscle to move them, but they're there. It is a creature that is for all intents and purposes a theropod dinosaur.
For instance, what is this?
That's not a still from a Jurassic Park movie. Nor is it a crocodile, a lizard, or the like. That's an Emu's foot. Scales, claws & all.
The chicken, an animal much more different from its dinosaur ancestors than the Emu, still has the genes for teeth. In fact, we can make it grow teeth. And until we realized that most dinosaurs were probably feathered in some way, we can also turn "on" the thing that gives it scales. Over the whole body.
This isn't hypothetical, either. That up there? Two chicken fetuses in similar stages of development. The one on the right? It's got teeth. We added nothing to make it do this, we just flipped some switches on a genetic level and let it happen. It showed no signs it wouldn't make it to birth, but was stopped because apparently you can't have fun any more.
dust1n
Zindīq
Why would I think it would your god over any other possible conception of god. Why would I think it a god at all. I'm not sure it isn't a kid in a higher dimension playing a simulator video game and just watching the universe exist for his amusement?
We've already determined that you don't actually perform any examination of the "texts" you observe as true, and I've asked multiple times how you've went about testing the various facts claimed in Bible, and this effort has been basically ignored.
Yet Christians are sure their text which they've never tested in any manner (or cured a single disease) is the infallible word of God? Hmmm.