Evidences Supporting the Biblical Flood

[9-18-1]

Two people gave your post a "funny" emoji. I thought it was posted seriously.

Could you clear this up?

What is truly funny is people that believe there was an historical Noah that physically built a boat housing twos and sevens of every living creature on the planet.

The name Noah is spelled with the Hebrew letters:

נֹחַ
נֹ nun = seed (sperm)
חַ chet = of life
= seed of life

Tebah, a fem. noun referring to an ark, basket (womb) and is only used in 2 cases: Noah and Moshe, both of who were delivered out of water. This word is used 28 times in Torah. This #28 [4x7] connects again to Gen. 1:1 where we see 28 letters in the Creation account.

 

[ecco]

What is truly funny is people that believe there was an historical Noah that physically built a boat housing twos and sevens of every living creature on the planet.

The name Noah is spelled with the Hebrew letters:

נֹחַ
נֹ nun = seed (sperm)
חַ chet = of life
= seed of life

Tebah, a fem. noun referring to an ark, basket (womb) and is only used in 2 cases: Noah and Moshe, both of who were delivered out of water. This word is used 28 times in Torah. This #28 [4x7] connects again to Gen. 1:1 where we see 28 letters in the Creation account.

Ah. Well, now, that certainly clears up everything.



At least SZ was good enough to provide a link to more of your writings.

 

[nPeace]

The short version is that roughly ten thousand years ago cheetah's went through a population bottleneck event that almost caused them to go extinct. They were reduced to less than ten breeding individuals. That means there could have been older non-breeding cats and younger ones at that time, call it a population of twenty or so. As a result that near extinction event any two cheetahs that you come upon are almost certainly more closely related to each other genetically than any human brother or sister, excluding identical twins. Experiments were done with skin grafts and those transplants showed no signs of being rejected. Do you need links or a more thorough explanation? What that tells us is that one can transplant organs with ease among cheetahs. The skin is an organ, though many do not realize it. The flood predicts and even more severe worldwide population bottleneck than occurred with the cheetahs. We do not see that event. We can only see a few and they tend to be far more mild (meaning that larger populations, usually in the thousands, were involved).

There is no need for you to give me the information. I have already looked at the theories and hypotheses proposed, as well as the controversy surrounding them.
Going by the creation account and the flood account, I think the present conditions, can account for both events being true.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no need for you to give me the information. I have already looked at the theories and hypotheses proposed, as well as the controversy surrounding them.
Going by the creation account and the flood account, I think the present conditions, can account for both events being true.

Then why do you get so much of it wrong? And there is very little in the way of controversy. There is some debate about the details, but that is the nature of science.

 

[nPeace]

Then why do you get so much of it wrong? And there is very little in the way of controversy. There is some debate about the details, but that is the nature of science.

Well face the facts. Suggestions are not facts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well face the facts. Suggestions are not facts.

I have no problem with facts. For example it is a fact that there was no "Flood of Noah". You should try to learn why we know this.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I have no problem with facts. For example it is a fact that there was no "Flood of Noah". You should try to learn why we know this.

Since none of us were present at the time of the Flood, then none of us are eyewitnesses.
I find in Scripture that Jesus knew as he talked about the days of Noah at Matthew 24:37-39.
Perhaps we should try to learn why Jesus knows this. Knows whether one believes Jesus is myth or not.
Then at least one is informed about why the lesson about Noah's day is important for us today.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Since none of us were present at the time of the Flood, then none of us are eyewitnesses.
I find in Scripture that Jesus knew as he talked about the days of Noah at Matthew 24:37-39.
Perhaps we should try to learn why Jesus knows this. Knows whether one believes Jesus is myth or not.
Then at least one is informed about why the lesson about Noah's day is important for us today.

So what? Eyewitness testimony is for some strange reason greatly over valued by Bible literalists and then then you refer to the Gospel of Matthew which was not based upon eyewitness testimony at all. Isn't that a bit self defeating?

You really have no clue as to what Jesus knew or even meant. That there was no flood is clear if one investigates the evidence. Unless you want to claim that your God is a liar. but that seems rather strange to me as well.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So what? Eyewitness testimony is for some strange reason greatly over valued by Bible literalists and then then you refer to the Gospel of Matthew which was not based upon eyewitness testimony at all. Isn't that a bit self defeating?
You really have no clue as to what Jesus knew or even meant. That there was no flood is clear if one investigates the evidence. Unless you want to claim that your God is a liar. but that seems rather strange to me as well.

I wonder if you ever read the gospel account according to Matthew because since Matthew was an apostle picked by Jesus, then Matthew was an eyewitness as per Matthew 10:3; Matthew 9:9, etc.
Besides I find according to 2 Timothy 3:16-17 God is Author of the Bible, so He has the say.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I wonder if you ever read the gospel account according to Matthew because since Matthew was an apostle picked by Jesus, then Matthew was an eyewitness as per Matthew 10:3; Matthew 9:9, etc.
Besides I find according to 2 Timothy 3:16-17 God is Author of the Bible, so He has the say.

Matthew did not write the Gospel of Matthew. And no 2 Timothy only refers to "Scripture" not the Bible. You should not conflate the two.

 

[ecco]

Since none of us were present at the time of the Flood, then none of us are eyewitnesses.
I find in Scripture that Jesus knew as he talked about the days of Noah at Matthew 24:37-39.
Perhaps we should try to learn why Jesus knows this. Knows whether one believes Jesus is myth or not.
Then at least one is informed about why the lesson about Noah's day is important for us today.

Hmmm, a mythical character in a book of fiction attests to the validity of a fictional story in another book of fictional stories.

Yay.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Why are you assuming that a literalistic interpretation is the only viable one, and why are you assuming that all that's found in the Bible is inerrant and supposedly directly from God? What evidence do you have for these positions?

Please read Jesus' statement @ Matthew 24:37-39; Jesus was depicting real people, 'marrying and eating and drinking, and taking no note'....pretty much like society today.

In science, we go by evidence and not assumptions.

Give me a break! "Pakicetus, the forerunner of whales"? That's a huge assumption, based on flimsy evidence.

 

[shunyadragon]

Give me a break! "Pakicetus, the forerunner of whales"? That's a huge assumption, based on flimsy evidence.

The science of the evolution of whales is not based only on the ancestor pakicetus. The problem continues concerning your appalling lack of basic knowledge of science, and your justification and absurd objections based on a archaic creationist agenda, and not science.

 

[shunyadragon]

Please read Jesus' statement @ Matthew 24:37-39; Jesus was depicting real people, 'marrying and eating and drinking, and taking no note'....pretty much like society today.

Nothing new here. Pretty much how humanity behaves since the first human hundreds of thousands of years ago.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please read Jesus' statement @ Matthew 24:37-39; Jesus was depicting real people, 'marrying and eating and drinking, and taking no note'....pretty much like society today.

Or he was speaking poetically. If you claim that he was serious you also claim that he was not God in any form.

Give me a break! "Pakicetus, the forerunner of whales"? That's a huge assumption, based on flimsy evidence.

Nope. Tell me what "assumptions"? Creationists are not supposed to use that term unless they can be very specific in the supposed "assumptions". And more properly it is a transitional species. There is no doubt about that. Only ignorant denial by creationists.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Give me a break! "Pakicetus, the forerunner of whales"? That's a huge assumption, based on flimsy evidence.

Pakicetus had an ear bone feature unique to cetaceans. This makes it an obvious transitional form.

 

[metis]

Please read Jesus' statement @ Matthew 24:37-39; Jesus was depicting real people, 'marrying and eating and drinking, and taking no note'....pretty much like society today.

That doesn't even get close to answering my question, which comes as no surprise.

Give me a break! "Pakicetus, the forerunner of whales"? That's a huge assumption, based on flimsy evidence.

First of all, I never said it does. Secondly, the above also doesn't correspond to what I posted.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Sorry, I've been involved with other matters...

This is a bogus Answers in Genesis sham! I need an actual independent evaluation by engineers that DO NOT have a religious agenda. The Korea Association of Korean research is NOT a reliable source.

No, this was apparently only funded by AiG ; the supervising engineer involved in directing the study, S. E. Hong, is a naturalist...as I posted. He had No "religious agenda", lol.

And the Organization is / was KRISO...again, no agenda.

With all the technology available today no one has managed to construct a sea worthy ark. Why not?!?!?!

The study has already verified it's feasibility. And the average naturalist doesn't want to prove the Bible accurate.

The most famous parallel, of course, is the Epic of Gilgamesh, wherein one of the many Babylonian gods charged the man Utnapishtim to build an ark, in a story that parallels Noah's in all the major details and most of the minor ones

No....certainly not the dimensions of the Ark and it's ratios of the length to width to height.

Would it have been possible to find enough material to build Noah's Ark?

Scientists have discovered air bubbles that have been trapped in fossilized tree sap (amber). When analyzed, they reveal 35% of oxygen, as opposed to today's 21%, in the atmosphere.

This would result in plants and trees growing larger and being more abundant than today.

So, I'd say yes. The fossil record agrees.

It's never been clearly stated exactly where Noah's Ark is said to have been built

Exactly...so a non-starter. (Must've been near trees.)

However, if you were a giant and reached down to pick up a normal passenger car, your fingers would crush it

Lol.

Recall that when the Titanic sank, that massive steel structure tore completely in half simply because one end was heavier than the other

"Simply because"?
Yeah, that end was filled water! Lol.

The sailing ships the 100 meter Wyoming (sunk in 1924) and 99 meter Santiago (sunk in 1918) were so large that they flexed in the water, opening up seams in the hull and leaking.

The Ark was used for 1 year. Actually, 5 months floating. The Wyoming was in service for 14 years! The Santiago was in service for 63 years! (Why did the article not mention that? It lends some dishonesty to the piece.)

Some of these ships, the Wyoming and others mentioned, were masted ships. All, though, were designed to move under power, from the wind or other means. All the Ark needed, was to float. So really, nothing about these ships in the article, applies.

Plus, the Ark was built over a span of at least 50 years...the pre-Flood atmosphere being more humid, would allow the hull's resinous planks to expand, forming a more water-tight barrier. In addition, it was covered inside & out with bitumen!

I've been saying the dimensions were ideal. That is not correct, it's not the point, really. We don't even know which kind of cubit -- the base measurement -- was used. It could vary from about 15 inches to 22 inches.

But we do know the ratios used: the length was 10x the height, and 6x the width.
These very ratios are the basis of what modern shipbuilders use, with slight modifications depending on the vessel's purpose.

How did Moses know? Just guessing? No, this is evidence of Divine inspiration, detailing an actual event.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry, I've been involved with other matters...


No, this was apparently only funded by AiG ; the supervising engineer involved in directing the study, S. E. Hong, is a naturalist...as I posted. He had No "religious agenda", lol.

And the Organization is / was KRISO...again, no agenda.




The study has already verified it's feasibility. And the average naturalist doesn't want to prove the Bible accurate.



No....certainly not the dimensions of the Ark and it's ratios of the length to width to height.



Scientists have discovered air bubbles that have been trapped in fossilized tree sap (amber). When analyzed, they reveal 35% of oxygen, as opposed to today's 21%, in the atmosphere.

This would result in plants and trees growing larger and being more abundant than today.

So, I'd say yes. The fossil record agrees.




Exactly...so a non-starter. (Must've been near trees.)



Lol.


"Simply because"?
Yeah, that end was filled water! Lol.



The Ark was used for 1 year. Actually, 5 months floating. The Wyoming was in service for 14 years! The Santiago was in service for 63 years! (Why did the article not mention that? It lends some dishonesty to the piece.)

Some of these ships, the Wyoming and others mentioned, were masted ships. All, though, were designed to move under power, from the wind or other means. All the Ark needed, was to float. So really, nothing about these ships in the article, applies.

Plus, the Ark was built over a span of at least 50 years...the pre-Flood atmosphere being more humid, would allow the hull's resinous planks to expand, forming a more water-tight barrier. In addition, it was covered inside & out with bitumen!

I've been saying the dimensions were ideal. That is not correct, it's not the point, really. We don't even know which kind of cubit -- the base measurement -- was used. It could vary from about 15 inches to 22 inches.

But we do know the ratios used: the length was 10x the height, and 6x the width.
These very ratios are the basis of what modern shipbuilders use, with slight modifications depending on the vessel's purpose.

How did Moses know? Just guessing? No, this is evidence of Divine inspiration, detailing an actual event.

Oh my, another Gish Gallop of nonsense. Let's focus on one fact. The Wyoming did last 15 years. It avoided bad weather from the start because it was so unseaworthy and that was with modern pumps. The Ark had no pumps. It was in the worst storm ever, if it actually happened. It would have split open at the seams and sunk. Too bad that the only support you can get is from admittedly bogus sources on your part.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Oh my, another Gish Gallop of nonsense. Let's focus on one fact. The Wyoming did last 15 years. It avoided bad weather from the start because it was so unseaworthy and that was with modern pumps. The Ark had no pumps. It was in the worst storm ever, if it actually happened. It would have split open at the seams and sunk. Too bad that the only support you can get is from admittedly bogus sources on your part.

Just as Jesus said to those Sadduces, at Matthew 22:29: "You are mistaken, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God."

Yes, power of God...you seem to ignore that... the Noachian Flood was a divine event! He caused the two separate 'oceans' of water -- those above the Earth, and those below, in "the vast fountains of the deep" -- to break open; He brought the animals to Noah; He closed the Ark's entrance; He gave Noah those ideal ratios, along with all other instructions, to build the vessel.

For you and others to think that He did nothing else to protect them during the event, is simply unreasonable.

Jehovah could've put them in a bubble and just levitated them. But Jehovah always wants people to show their faith in Him when possible, acting in their behalf.

By providing Noah those instructions containing the ideal proportions, it not only allowed Noah to express his faith, but
revealed that it was from a Divine Source.

Tell me...can you come up with better ratios of length to width to height? Maybe you think the Ark "cube" in the Epic of Gilgamesh is feasible?