Evolution and Creation, are both wrong?

[ImmortalFlame]

Well I never said that theory=fact. However evolution= theory that is a fact!

I don't think you understand. Evolution is both a theory and a fact. It a process which is observed and quantified in nature, and the theory of evolution explains the fact. This is basic scientific terminology.

I suggest you use the dictionary in case you need to remind yourself of the meaning of the word.

And I suggest you stop patronizing people when they point out that you are clearly misinformed about a subject. In science, the word "theory" has a very different and much more precise meaning than the common, colloquial meaning. Most good dictionaries will tell you that same distinction.

And the social sciences do not trump the traditional kind, but then nor do they them. Just because every scientist in the world believed evolution to be true (which they do not, and that is to say nothing of the Islamic science which also predates Western science by a long way, and do you really think that they reject god from their theses?)

Who's said anything about any scientists "rejecting God"?

it would not make it so.

You are correct. It does, however, make any attempted appeal to authority by creationists based on the credentials of a specific scientist who agrees with them completely asinine.

This is where a basic education in philosophy is necessary.

Again, don't patronize people about a subject when you apparently don't even understand the basic terminology applied in that subject.

Because for something to be proved to be true, it is necessary to prove that it is always true, and not just true in the majority of cases by the majority of thinkers.

This doesn't even make sense. Nothing is ever "proven" beyond a reasonable doubt in science. Nobody here has used the term.

Until you read philosophy or muslim science, you really don't know the half of it i'm afraid.

Why? Just because something has been around longer doesn't mean it knows any better.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

So now, Einstein was a Christian and Darwin was an atheist?

I guess also Superman has greenish skin and looks like Frankenstein, and says 'Good bye' when he meets you..

 

[gnostic]

So now, Einstein was a Christian and Darwin was an atheist?

The heck if I know.

It has been a while since I posted here, and I was looking at the last 2 pages, most specifically john2054's replies, I was completely astonished by the amount of misinformation and BS lies about scientists and science (and I am not just talking about evolution)...one BS after another.

Einstein was never a Christian and Darwin was never atheist. Darwin was actually a Christian and an agnostic or more precisely, an agnostic theist.

The thing is that Darwin had never allowed his religion cloud his judgement when it came to science, or more specifically his theory on Natural Selection.

John2054 is just another creationist who has absolutely no understanding on scientific theory or the scientific method. Why do these creationists bother to reply in topics like this, when they don't even have the most basic knowledge of science.

Any creationist with half a brain should at least learn and understand what a scientific theory really is, before they utter their most imbecile's mantra - "evolution is just a theory".

 

[Father Heathen]

The heck if I know.

It has been a while since I posted here, and I was looking at the last 2 pages, most specifically john2054's replies, I was completely astonished by the amount of misinformation and BS lies about scientists and science (and I am not just talking about evolution)...one BS after another.

Einstein was never a Christian and Darwin was never atheist. Darwin was actually a Christian and an agnostic or more precisely, an agnostic theist.

The thing is that Darwin had never allowed his religion cloud his judgement when it came to science, or more specifically his theory on Natural Selection.

John2054 is just another creationist who has absolutely no understanding on scientific theory or the scientific method. Why do these creationists bother to reply in topics like this, when they don't even have the most basic knowledge of science.

Any creationist with half a brain should at least learn and understand what a scientific theory really is, before they utter their most imbecile's mantra - "evolution is just a theory".

Um, that was Heathen Hammer and not I who said that.

 

[gnostic]

Um, that was Heathen Hammer and not I who said that.

Oops!

:sorry1: Got the wrong, heathen.

 

[Father Heathen]

Oops!

:sorry1: Got the wrong, heathen.

Heheh, no problem.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

We tend to look alike under the horned helmets

 

[gnostic]

Yeah, all Westerners look the same to me. (I'm Chinese, btw).

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Ha ha! Well played.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The Bible was not written as a science textbook,it is true. But it was inspired by the greatest scientist in existence. So when it touches on matters of science, it is very accurate.

It doesn't appear very accurate to me:

The Bible writers knew that the earth was round at a time when most believed it was flat.
"Have you not applied understanding from the foundations of the earth?  There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers" (Isa 40:21, 22 written 732 B.C.E)
The Hebrew word translated "circle" in this passage carries the meaning of a sphere.

The earth isn't round, or spherical. It bulges along the equator. You'd think god would know that.

They knew that the earth is hanging in space without any visible means of support.
This at a time when others were assuming all kinds of supports, like giant elephants riding on the backs of turtles...or some such.

"He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7 written about 1400 B.C.E)

The earth isn't "hanging in space." It is constantly orbiting the sun.

People usually fall for the evolution propaganda because they have a reason for wanting God to disappear. If he doesn't exist, you don't have to answer to him for anything.

Nah, they just accept empirical evidence when it's presented to them.

If there is no god (which I think is pretty likely) I still have to answer to my fellow human beings.

Just because you don't believe in him, doesn't make him go away.

Just because you believe in "him" doesn't mean "he" exists.

 

[secret2]

Well I never said that theory=fact. However evolution= theory that is a fact! I suggest you use the dictionary in case you need to remind yourself of the meaning of the word. And the social sciences do not trump the traditional kind, but then nor do they them. Just because every scientist in the world believed evolution to be true (which they do not, and that is to say nothing of the Islamic science which also predates Western science by a long way, and do you really think that they reject god from their theses?) it would not make it so. This is where a basic education in philosophy is necessary. Because for something to be proved to be true, it is necessary to prove that it is always true, and not just true in the majority of cases by the majority of thinkers. Until you read philosophy or muslim science, you really don't know the half of it i'm afraid.

Look, it's the classic fact/theory confusion! Let me mark my card, I'm almost having my Bingo.