Evolution Deniers more Bigoted

[Subduction Zone]

Just out of curiosity, and maybe someone already asked this, but when did you choose? I don't recall making a choice. Do you know others that recall when they chose? I always wonder when people say that about choice.

He sort of responded, but it was still a dodge.

 

[ppp]

@SkepticThinker @mikkel_the_dane @Subduction Zone @Shadow Wolf @Policy

I think we all understand where are positions are and what we believe (without having to go around in circles)

In our church we have been visited by more than a few people that have chosen their homosexual lifestyle.

I remember saying hello to two young ladies, one presented the other as her husband.

We greeted them and welcomed them into our service and both gave their lives to Jesus Christ. They attended for quite a few months and then we didn't see them as they had left the area.

Probably a year later we received a letter of "thankfulness" from the one that had presented herself as the wife. She was thanking us for our love. They had separated and the "husband" was in jail. She had married a biologically gendered male and was so thankful for what God had done in her life, was extremely happy and thankful for what we had given her while she was with us

She, in essence, destroyed the myth that there is no choice.

So... I support your right to believe what you believe but I still remain a believer in what I believe. We all can be kind while living with differences.

I am not sure why you included me in your response list, as you did not address my question. I asked if you were sexually attracted to men.

 

[ppp]

He sort of responded, but it was still a dodge.

Is @KenS an evolution denier? Just wondering if he is the poster child for the OP.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is @KenS an evolution denier? Just wondering if he is the poster child for the OP.

Yes. He is not quite a YEC, but is not opposed to that either.

 

[ppp]

Yes. He is not quite a YEC, but is not opposed to that either.

Sheesh. LOL.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

And, likewise, I don't need any study to realize that there will be a correlation between evolution support ard religiophobic behavior.

Unsurprisingly, you are wrong about that.
More religious people accept evolution then there are religious people that deny it.

It's kind of funny actually how you just validated my point. This "realization" of yours is just another thing that flows from your religiously motivated beliefs about evolution.

The questions would be how much of a difference would it be and what percentage is "homophobic" vs simply "I don't accept their chosen lifestyle as a valid lifestyle" AND EQUALLY "I don't accept just living together as a chosen lifestyle as a valid lifestyle".

The fact that you choose the word "lifestyle" to describe homosexual orientation, already shows the bigotry.

Have said that, I would support their right to do whatever lifestyle people choose to live. (As we can see in all the threads, people tend to gravitate towards homosexuality as if that was the only lifestyle that people don't accept as if it was somehow worse than another).

Interestingly enough, I see more often that not, it is those who support homosexuality that bring up the subject and not the ones who don't support it. I always wonder why that is.

Because it's an easy and extremely common example.
And again you continue to use the word "lifestyle".

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I didn’t say it does. Just saying my experience does, as well as the lives of many others.

None of which counters statistical correlation.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

And this is where I would disagree and agree.

Yes, indeed, there is a biological sex. For humans it basically IS XX and XY - deviations from the norm are usually medically treated .

The problem we have is the play on wording, something that is common today. Not too long ago, gender and sex meant the same thing. Scientifically, there are no genes that make our lifestyle choices since we are not robots controlled by our genes. One does not become a sexual lifestyle because of DNA no more than one becomes a thief because of DNA.

We can form physical habits and mental habits just as we can change our habits. I know because I changed mental habits that dictated a change in my vocabulary usage.

That is my school of thought that hasn't been disproved. Scientifically you can prove that your brain was trained to think one way just like it can be trained to think another way.

More exposure of how deeply rooted the bigotry is.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I think that is self evident. What is a thief's lifestyle? What is a heterosexual married lifestyle? What is two people living together lifestyle? Self-evident.

How do you choose where you want to work? How do you choose whether to use profanity or not use it? How do you choose to run or walk? You simply choose.

Ask yourself this honest question (assuming you are heterosexual):

If you would watch gay porn, would you get sexually aroused?
Could you get sexually aroused by the thought of having sex with another man?
Could you physically get a natural erection without "forcing" it somehow with medication or other tools?

I sure couldn't. In fact, if I were sexually aroused by the teasing of a beautiful woman and suddenly the woman leaves and a man would start doing a striptease, my sexual arousal would very quickly disappear.

This is not the case with gay people.

Ask yourself why that is.

This is not a matter of "choice".


Also note how you are comparing sexual orientation with an immoral act like thievery.
That about says it all, doesn't it?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I LOVE ice-scream as food. I CHOOSE not to eat ice-cream because of its sugar content. So, yes, I have a choice. If I choose to eat 1 gallon a day of ice-cream, I have now chosen to make it my lifestyle.

I think that is pretty clear for understanding.

The question wasn't if you had a choice in what you are going to eat.
The question was if you had a choice in what food you LIKE / LOVE.

Yes, you can choose not to eat your favorite food, just like I have a choice in not having sex with a woman I find hot.

But you don't have a choice in what food you like. Just like I don't have a choice in which woman I find hot.

 

[Kenny]

Just out of curiosity, and maybe someone already asked this, but when did you choose? I don't recall making a choice. Do you know others that recall when they chose? I always wonder when people say that about choice.

when I was a teenager -

 

[Kenny]

Is @KenS an evolution denier? Just wondering if he is the poster child for the OP.

No... just a evolution denier for human kind.

 

[Kenny]

The question wasn't if you had a choice in what you are going to eat.
The question was if you had a choice in what food you LIKE / LOVE.

Actually, yes.

When I was a teenager I use to gag on fish... they stopped trying to feed it to me. Now I love fish.

Couldn't eat green peppers or squash either. Now I love them. Beets were a no-no too but now it's a favorite..

It's incredible how one can change.

And this is the essence of Christianity... that in a born-again experience you become a new creature and all things become new. New start, new creation and you can become what God wants you to be.

 

[Kenny]

Also note how you are comparing sexual orientation with an immoral act like thievery.
That about says it all, doesn't it?

Standard two-step and side-step, coined and overused, phrase.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Standard two-step and side-step coined and overused phrase.

Let me try to explain it.
That I could kill another human, is based on how the world including my brain works. That is wrong, is an evaluation.
That I could love another man is based on how my brain works. That it is wrong, is an evolution.

So here is my evolution of what is going on. Someone, who consider the true love and partnership between 2 men as morally wrong, will go to .... That is how your system works and it also applies to you and not just everybody else.
I leave that to God, because to me God has created us all as humans including LGBTQ+ and the neurodiverse.

 

[Kenny]

Let me try to explain it.
That I could kill another human, is based on how the world including my brain works. That is wrong, is an evaluation.
That I could love another man is based on how my brain works. That it is wrong, is an evolution.

So here is my evolution of what is going on. Someone, who consider the true love and partnership between 2 men as morally wrong, will go to .... That is how your system works and it also applies to you and not just everybody else.
I leave that to God, because to me God has created us all as humans including LGBTQ+ and the neurodiverse.

I simply disagree with the end premise.

That being said, I can truly love my son, love a friend, love my brother with true love and partnership and not be LG

EDIT:

And love my neighbor no matter what lifestyle they choose to live. Heck, I even ministered to a hired killer.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I simply disagree with the end premise.

That being said, I can truly love my son, love a friend, love my brother with true love and partnership and not be LG

Yeah, I know. But that is an interpretation of what love is to God just as mine is. But according to system you get to decide it for all humans, but I can't do it, because you are right and I am wrong. Where as I really don't know that because I leave that to God.
I am a Protestant in that how I read the Bible is not your problem and how you do it, is not my problem.

 

[Kenny]

Yeah, I know. But that is an interpretation of what love is to God just as mine is. But according to system you get to decide it for all humans, but I can't do it, because you are right and I am wrong. Where as I really don't know that because I leave that to God.
I am a Protestant in that how I read the Bible is not your problem and how you do it, is not my problem.

I'm just following the Book. It isn't "I'm right and you are wrong"... it is just when God speaks my opinions cease to matter.

PS - I don't decide for all humans. My personal viewpoint is live and let live... but God speaks

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I'm just following the Book. It isn't "I'm right and you are wrong"... it is just when God speaks my opinions cease to matter.

PS - I don't decide for all humans. My personal viewpoint is live and let live... but God speaks

No, you claim God to know right and wrong. I don't. That is difference.

 

[Kenny]

No, you claim God to know right and wrong. I don't. That is difference.

I don't claim anything, in reality. But if it tells me "If you hate your neighbor you do not know God" and then says "Love your neighbor," it has defined for me what is right and what is wrong.