Evolution Deniers more Bigoted

[Brian2]

I think so too, and one very disturbing aspect of that is when clergy inject secular politics into what they preach.

Or at least, the wrong teachings about secular politics.
Completely ignoring evil in politics can be harmful also.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Looking at the abstract:

"Supporting the hypothesis, low belief in human evolution was associated with higher levels of prejudice, racist attitudes, and support for discriminatory behaviors against Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer (LGBTQ), Blacks, and immigrants in the United States (Study 1)"]

I find it quite suspect.

First, that the correlation is even correct.

It would be like me saying, "those who believe in evolution have a higher level of prejudice and support for discriminatory behaviors against Christians, Muslims and other faiths"

too many questions, too many false correlations

The first author is still a student - Styianos Syropoulos and haven't checked the others.

Too many factor IMO.

Think of it this way;
Churches who teach evolution is wrong frequently teach LGBT are abominations before god, they often focus on Paul blaming women for sin and the Fall, amd are so full of hate they even condemn other Christian denominations.

 

[Kenny]

I think the poll is likely correct because there's a correlation between educational level as applied to whether one accepts the basic ToE, with lower levels more apt to reject it, as also with those within the "religious right".

BTW, this is one of the reasons why I left the church I grew up in when in my mid-20's. The main other factor was racism within my old church, and it was very overt.

I think it might have been true decades ago.

Let me put it this way... if my son is lying and I do not agree with his lying and I don't believe in evolution... am I bigoted because I don't believe in evolution and don't like his lying? Obviously, the answer here is "of course not".

Likewise,if my son is living with a woman and they are not married and I do not agree with his living together and I don't believe in evolution... am I bigoted because I don't believe in evolution and don't like his living with a woman? Obviously, the answer here is also "of course not".

So, take this to the abstract, putting in the same part homosexuality. I am not bigoted because I don't agree with it nor does it have anything to do with my not believing in evolution. It has to do with a standard that I no longer agree with (whereas before Jesus, I did).

Evolution belief doesn't affect what I believe is right or wrong. I could believe in evolution and still think that the above three examples are still wrong.

That is why I think it is subject to question.

Then, in addition, how much was the difference. If bigoted evolution believers was a 2.536% per hundred and bigoted non-believers was at 2.7163%, the abstract statement would still be true but really insignificant.

I hope I was clear.

 

[Kenny]

Think of it this way;
Churches who teach evolution is wrong frequently teach LGBT are abominations before god, they often focus on Paul blaming women for sin and the Fall, amd are so full of hate they even condemn other Christian denominations.

I think we have it a little mixed up... like trying to put everything in one bag.

Perhaps a better way is to say it is "All churches that spew hate towards those who choose the LGBT lifestyle also do not believe in evolution but only a few who do not believe in evolution spew hate towards those who choose the LGBT lifestyle".

Could I equally say that "All people who choose the LGBT lifestyle and spew hate religion are also evolutionists but not all LGBT evolutionists spew hate towards those who choose religion?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think we have it a little mixed up... like trying to put everything in one bag.

Perhaps a better way is to say it is "All churches that spew hate towards those who choose the LGBT lifestyle also do not believe in evolution but only a few who do not believe in evolution spew hate towards those who choose the LGBT lifestyle".

Could I equally say that "All people who choose the LGBT lifestyle and spew hate religion are also evolutionists but not all LGBT evolutionists spew hate towards those who choose religion?

I think you have it mixed up because I never claimed "all."
It's undeniable that frequently these two things go hand in hand. When a Church says evolution is wrong, they is a high chance it's also spewing hate. It's like poverty and crime. Where you find one you are likely to find the other.
It also fails because of this "choose the LGBT lifestyle" nonsense.

 

[Kenny]

I think you have it mixed up because I never claimed "all."
It's undeniable that frequently these two things go hand in hand. When a Church says evolution is wrong, they is a high chance it's also spewing hate. It's like poverty and crime. Where you find one you are likely to find the other.
It also fails because of this "choose the LGBT lifestyle" nonsense.

It was the connotation that you gave it... but I think my point was still well said.

It is undeniable that frequently LGBT evolutionists and anti-religious bigotry go hand in had. Where you find one, you find the other. (Can go both ways, can't they? )

I don't think it is nonsense. Different viewpoint, maybe, but certainly not nonsense.

Well, at the least we can say I am not intolerant and nor are you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was the connotation that you gave it... but I think my point was still well said.

It is undeniable that frequently LGBT evolutionists and anti-religious bigotry go hand in had. Where you find one, you find the other.

I don't think it is nonsense. Different viewpoint, maybe, but certainly not nonsense.

Well, at the least we can say I am not intolerant and nor are you.

You might have a misunderstanding of what bigotry is.

 

[Kenny]

You might have a misunderstanding of what bigotry is.

I don't think so... but I can look it up just in case....


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Yup! I know what it is! Would you like me to post the definition for you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't think so... but I can look it up just in case....


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Yup! I know what it is! Would you like me to post the definition for you?

Sorry, but you still probably do not understand. If you did you would not have needed a dictionary. Though a dictionary can supply usage it cannot supply understanding.

 

[Kenny]

Sorry, but you still probably do not understand. If you did you would not have needed a dictionary. Though a dictionary can supply usage it cannot supply understanding.

Well, young man, I think your estimation is off. You may have learned information but It doesn't mean you have learned about life and living

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, young man, I think your estimation is off. You may have learned information but It doesn't mean you have learned about life and living

Backwards as always.

You seem to think that not allowing people to inflict their prejudices on another is "bigotry". A person that really believed what he claimed would have posted verifiable examples.

 

[rational experiences]

When just a human chooses the topic human evolution. A human spiritual aware first is all humans natural life mind position natural. Says yes we agree because we healed.

We had been human mutated by human machine sciences. He man scientists caused it. Why you know.

As God the earth isn't a machine controlled by his man thoughts.

And humans life biological genesis living about from 120 years ago living as the teaching living.... human genesis to now position living.

Says human scientists with biological mind control by humans think now as machines. As if the machine makes them super humans bodily mentally threaten natural life daily.

By chosen human control. Stephen Hawking warning.

Said it's their known human scientists thinking self possession. Claiming a human is science. A human is exact human biology. Genesis just biologies studied in living presence.

When a human theoried science to practice machine converting of earth mass.

So Rome against satanist scientists machine theisms AI said.....
No man is God. Don't look back theorising about dead life.

As 120 year ago rock earth God stone law human living life genesis is our human only truth. As yet we haven't genetic human healed evolved. Year 2012 wasn't supported.

Creationist evolutionist human theist tried to force humans to believe they are comparable to an ape. We've always been human as the scientist who expresses science.

Pretty basic human theists are liars. A teaching.

 

[Brian2]

I think we have it a little mixed up... like trying to put everything in one bag.

Perhaps a better way is to say it is "All churches that spew hate towards those who choose the LGBT lifestyle also do not believe in evolution but only a few who do not believe in evolution spew hate towards those who choose the LGBT lifestyle".

Could I equally say that "All people who choose the LGBT lifestyle and spew hate religion are also evolutionists but not all LGBT evolutionists spew hate towards those who choose religion?

I think you are explaining your position well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think we have it a little mixed up... like trying to put everything in one bag.

Perhaps a better way is to say it is "All churches that spew hate towards those who choose the LGBT lifestyle also do not believe in evolution but only a few who do not believe in evolution spew hate towards those who choose the LGBT lifestyle".

Could I equally say that "All people who choose the LGBT lifestyle and spew hate religion are also evolutionists but not all LGBT evolutionists spew hate towards those who choose religion?

That is actually a terrible strawman. First off you make the typical fundamentalistic error of claiming a "lifestyle" and a choice in being LBGQT. It appears that very few of them choose that orientation. Second one should not use the word "all" since there are exceptions. I know it can be rather upsetting to find out that one is associating with bigots, that is if one is not a bigot. But that is not an excuse for shooting the messenger.

As I pointed out earlier, the correlation is probably not due to understanding evolution, it is probably due to a higher over all level of education so that one can understand that people different from them are not evil or sinful.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It was the connotation that you gave it... but I think my point was still well said.

It is undeniable that frequently LGBT evolutionists and anti-religious bigotry go hand in had. Where you find one, you find the other. (Can go both ways, can't they? )

I don't think it is nonsense. Different viewpoint, maybe, but certainly not nonsense.

Well, at the least we can say I am not intolerant and nor are you.

It is nonsense. What is a "LGBT evolutionist"? And the term "evolutionist" itself is utter nonsense because there are no germist, magnetists, dopplerists, oxygen combustionists or gravitists.
And, of course, lots of LGBT people are Christian.
But, of course, lots of Christians and Churches are mixed. Catholicism, for example, does accept evolution but doesn't have a good track record with LGBT people.
But, at the same time, we can look at numbers to know the Southern Baptists is a very widespread and one of the most common religions. They are vehemently anti-both. That alone will add hefty weight to the study mentioned in the OP.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I agree, blaming evolution doesn’t make a lot of sense. I think bigotry is simply rooted in sinful human nature ( I realize you likely don’t agree with that) and can cross over into anyone’s belief system. If someone holds bigoted, racist views and feel superior to others it probably has a lot more to do with their own personality, their upbringing, the attitudes and examples they were exposed to.

And their beliefs.

When, for example, their religion says that homosexuality is an "abomination" and that their god thinks that that a man who "lies with a man as he would with a woman" shouldn't be allowed to live....

Then maybe, just maybe, that might make them bigoted homophobes.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well, whatever the poll may indicate, it’s contrary to my experience. I went to public school and was taught evolution. My parents were not Christian and my father was very bigoted and derogatory toward people of color, which I always believed was wrong. I did not become a Christian until in my thirties. Then I began to understand from the scriptures that God created ONE race - the human race. Therefore, as a Christian I know racism or elevating oneself above others is unacceptable and considered sin in the eyes of God.

So you think that your one anecdote of your one example is enough to discard statistical correlation in a large scale study?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Looking at the abstract:

"Supporting the hypothesis, low belief in human evolution was associated with higher levels of prejudice, racist attitudes, and support for discriminatory behaviors against Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer (LGBTQ), Blacks, and immigrants in the United States (Study 1)"]

I find it quite suspect.

First, that the correlation is even correct.

It would be like me saying, "those who believe in evolution have a higher level of prejudice and support for discriminatory behaviors against Christians, Muslims and other faiths"

too many questions, too many false correlations

The first author is still a student - Styianos Syropoulos and haven't checked the others.

Too many factor IMO.

Seriously, I don't need any study to realize that there will be a correlation between evolution denial and homophobic behavior.

Evolution denial goes hand in hand with religious fundamentalism - abrahamic religions like christianity and islam in particular.
Both these religions are pretty outspoken against homosexuality.

Is it really a surprise that fundamentalists of those religions will thus likely both deny evolution AND be homophobes?

If it is, then I can only conclude that you haven't spend much time thinking this through.

 

[Kenny]

And, of course, lots of LGBT people are Christian.
But, of course, lots of Christians and Churches are mixed. Catholicism, for example, does accept evolution but doesn't have a good track record with LGBT people.
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That is exactly my point and, thus, the OP doesn't have merit.

 

[Kenny]

Seriously, I don't need any study to realize that there will be a correlation between evolution denial and homophobic behavior.

Evolution denial goes hand in hand with religious fundamentalism - abrahamic religions like christianity and islam in particular.
Both these religions are pretty outspoken against homosexuality.

Is it really a surprise that fundamentalists of those religions will thus likely both deny evolution AND be homophobes?

If it is, then I can only conclude that you haven't spend much time thinking this through.

And, likewise, I don't need any study to realize that there will be a correlation between evolution support ard religiophobic behavior.

The questions would be how much of a difference would it be and what percentage is "homophobic" vs simply "I don't accept their chosen lifestyle as a valid lifestyle" AND EQUALLY "I don't accept just living together as a chosen lifestyle as a valid lifestyle". Have said that, I would support their right to do whatever lifestyle people choose to live. (As we can see in all the threads, people tend to gravitate towards homosexuality as if that was the only lifestyle that people don't accept as if it was somehow worse than another).

Interestingly enough, I see more often that not, it is those who support homosexuality that bring up the subject and not the ones who don't support it. I always wonder why that is.