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Evolution flaw or god flaw.. Blind spot in the eyes

We Never Know

No Slack
We all have a blind spot in our eyes. Is it a god flaw or evolution flaw?

"Your retina is made up of light-sensitive cells which send messages to your brain about what you see. Everyone has a spot in their retina where the optic nerve connects. In this area there are no light-sensitive cells so this part of your retina can't see. We call this the blind spot."

 
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Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not sure I understand the question.

Biological evolution is not a process that produces organisms without "flaw" as humans would flippantly define it. It produces organisms that are good enough to pass on their genes in a particular environmental context. Good enough means not perfect, which means with "flaws" as humans would define it. So... again, I don't really understand the question. Not from the standpoint of biological evolution, and not from a theological vantage point either.
 

McBell

Unbound
We all have a blind spot in our eyes. Is it a god flaw or evolution flaw?

"Your retina is made up of light-sensitive cells which send messages to your brain about what you see. Everyone has a spot in their retina where the optic nerve connects. In this area there are no light-sensitive cells so this part of your retina can't see. We call this the blind spot."

Why do you think the blind spot is a "flaw"?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why do you think the blind spot is a "flaw"?
Considering the difficulty with the evolution of the eye, it's pretty incredible as it is , albeit not the perfect evolutionary tool , but pretty damn good all the same.

Whether it would get better, all depends on our need for adaptation in our environment.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
We all have a blind spot in our eyes. Is it a god flaw or evolution flaw?
Depends on if you believe our eyes where formed by evolution or by a god and then by which kind of god.
Evolution isn't perfect so the "flaw" is explainable. If your god isn't perfect, the "flaw" is explainable. When you believe in a perfect god, you have a problem.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
The common squid uses a rigid lens
and moves it back and forth.
People use a flexible one that has to
change shape, and, gets less flexible w time.

Known Him by his works, they say.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
We all have a blind spot in our eyes. Is it a god flaw or evolution flaw?

"Your retina is made up of light-sensitive cells which send messages to your brain about what you see. Everyone has a spot in their retina where the optic nerve connects. In this area there are no light-sensitive cells so this part of your retina can't see. We call this the blind spot."

If a god, alien, or whatever other entity designed our eye, then I would agree it is a design flaw. It doesn't need to be there. There's plenty of eye examples out there that don't have all the wiring in front of the lightsensitive cells, with no need to cross the retina.

In case of evolution, I don't see how the word "flaw" would even be sensible.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
I'm not sure I understand the question.

Biological evolution is not a process that produces organisms without "flaw" as humans would flippantly define it. It produces organisms that are good enough to pass on their genes in a particular environmental context. Good enough means not perfect, which means with "flaws" as humans would define it. So... again, I don't really understand the question. Not from the standpoint of biological evolution, and not from a theological vantage point either.
Well I see it like this....

In evolution there is no goal, however creationists may/will see it as a flaw.

In creation by a god it may/will be seen as a flaw in design by non-religious.(supported by the replies)

So flaw is the word I chose.

As far as I am aware neither evolution nor creation reach for perfection, just existence.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
We all have a blind spot in our eyes. Is it a god flaw or evolution flaw?

"Your retina is made up of light-sensitive cells which send messages to your brain about what you see. Everyone has a spot in their retina where the optic nerve connects. In this area there are no light-sensitive cells so this part of your retina can't see. We call this the blind spot."

Neither it is simply a spot in the eye that has a function and part of the natural evolution of the eye. It is where the optic nerve connects to the eye.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Why do you think the blind spot is a "flaw"?
No sane engineer would have designed the eye like that. I think it would go into the SD category. And increasingly popular alternative to ID.

Ciao

- viole
 

Eddi

Christianity
Premium Member
I wouldn't call it a flaw

It's more an imperfection

It is imperfect not flawed
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
I wouldn't call it a flaw

It's more an imperfection

It is imperfect not flawed
It is not either an imperfection nor a flaw. It has a function in the eye where the optic nerve connects to the eye, and does not effect the function of the eye.
 

Eddi

Christianity
Premium Member
It is not either an imperfection nor a flaw. It has a function in the eye where the optic nerve connects to the eye, and does not effect the function of the eye.
It does effect the function as there is a blind spot

If it were perfect there would be no blind spot
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
We all have a blind spot in our eyes. Is it a god flaw or evolution flaw?

"Your retina is made up of light-sensitive cells which send messages to your brain about what you see. Everyone has a spot in their retina where the optic nerve connects. In this area there are no light-sensitive cells so this part of your retina can't see. We call this the blind spot."


If receptors covered the area of the blind spot then no place for the optic nerve, no sight. It's not a flaw, its just the way evolution works, it simply is not good at multitasking
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Well I see it like this....

In evolution there is no goal, however creationists may/will see it as a flaw.

In creation by a god it may/will be seen as a flaw in design by non-religious.(supported by the replies)

So flaw is the word I chose.

As far as I am aware neither evolution nor creation reach for perfection, just existence.
The basic materials- matter, energy,
forces- presumed in " creation" to be
" His" doing- are perfect if anything is.

What comes of those things interacting
is the province of evolution.

Evolution has no goals, reaches for nothing.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
We all have a blind spot in our eyes. Is it a god flaw or evolution flaw?

"Your retina is made up of light-sensitive cells which send messages to your brain about what you see. Everyone has a spot in their retina where the optic nerve connects. In this area there are no light-sensitive cells so this part of your retina can't see. We call this the blind spot."

It is one of the things that helps prove evolution is true.
Any decent engineer, could redesign the eye so that it doesn't have a blind spot; so you'd think a creative god could do the same.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
i never had any problem because of the blind spot.
god had better schemes but did not favor humans with them. he was angry with adam and eve for eating the fruit.
 
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