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Evolution in the 21st century - The Extended Synthesis

The extended evolutionary synthesis has been presented in the 21st century. This is meant to be an extension of the neo-Darwinian theory.

The neo-Darwinian modern synthesis was developed in the period from 1930 to 1950 due to the reconciliation of evolution by natural selection and the incorporation of Mendelian and population genetics. It has been over 60 years and evolution today includes mechanisms and even entire new fields that were not part of the foundational structure of the modern synthesis. Some scientists have proposed that ingredients of an extended synthesis are gradually becoming visible and that the modern synthesis as it stands is incomplete and needs to be extended.

Extended evolutionary synthesis - RationalWiki

Biological theory: Postmodern evolution? : Nature News

The below picture:

Schematic representation of key concepts of Darwinism (center field), the Modern Synthesis (intermediate field), and the Extended Synthesis (outer field).

From Pigliucci M, Muller GB (2010) Elements of an extended evolutionary synthesis. In: Evolution: The Extended Synthesis (Pigliucci M, Muller GB, eds), 3–17. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press.

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Any comments about some of these new evolutionary mechanisms which have been proposed (see the outer field of the picture).?
 

Alceste

Vagabond
What exactly do you want to discuss? Biology is a massive subject. You've posted a diagram containing a very large number of topics, which basically amount to the entire field of biology when taken together. You might as well ask "anyone have any thoughts on physics?" Or "Let's debate mathematics!"
 
What exactly do you want to discuss? Biology is a massive subject. You've posted a diagram containing a very large number of topics, which basically amount to the entire field of biology when taken together. You might as well ask "anyone have any thoughts on physics?" Or "Let's debate mathematics!"

You see the mechanisms in the outer section of the diagram ie niche construction and replicator theory or multilevel selection etc. Well these mechanisms are rarly (if ever) discussed on internet forums (none of them have been mentioned on this forum by any other users apart from myself), indeed most general lay people won't have a clue about them becuase these mechanisms have not quite broken into the "mainstream yet", they are found in evo-devo books, but not mainstream biology textbooks (they probably will be one day though), but they were (and still are) denied by the neo-Darwinian synthesis theorists. The extended synthesis is not anti-Darwinian but it has pointed out some errors in modern synthesis which says is incomplete and seeks to incoperate these new/er mechanisms into the synthesis however (there has been a controversy over this). My question is do users know of these mechanisms, and if so would you endorse the extended synthesis and these mechanisms or not?
 
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Hispid

New Member
You see the mechanisms in the outer section of the diagram ie niche construction and replicator theory or multilevel selection etc. Well these mechanisms are rarly (if ever) discussed on internet forums (none of them have been mentioned on this forum by any other users apart from myself), indeed most general lay people won't have a clue about them becuase these mechanisms have not quite broken into the "mainstream yet", they are found in evo-devo books, but not mainstream biology textbooks (they probably will be one day though), but they were (and still are) denied by the neo-Darwinian synthesis theorists. The extended synthesis is not anti-Darwinian but it has pointed out some errors in modern synthesis which says is incomplete and seeks to incoperate these new/er mechanisms into the synthesis however (there has been a controversy over this). My question is do users know of these mechanisms, and if so would you endorse the extended synthesis and these mechanisms or not?

Personally I'm happy for the process of science to do it's thing, however halting, flawed and contingent that might be, in the end he or she with the evidence and successful predictive power will out.

My impression is that evo-devo is past the overconfident "we can explain everything" phase and it's pretty well accepted and bound for the textbooks. A lot of the others are further off and still may turn out to a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

It's good for those with an interest to follow these things and there's lots of good blogs by working biologists who discuss this stuff; and it never hurts to point out that evolutionary biology is an active field with real controversies BUT in terms of evo v creo internet boards, just getting some folk to understand the minimal definition of evolution as change over generations is like pushing ***** up a hill with a pointed stick.
 
As I understand, the concept of evolvability is well-accepted. Natural selection favors organisms which are more evolvable when the environment is complex and constantly changing in unpredictable ways. It's been suggested this could be a reason for lateral gene transfer and sexual reproduction, as well as modularity. You can see the corollary of this--decreasing evolvability--in the simple, ancient organisms inhabiting places like caves or deep sea vents, where the environment is simple and never changes.
 

FunctionalAtheist

Hammer of Reason
I'll comment as I have time to review each concept. I took a brief look at niche construction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niche_construction

I don't see anything new here in terms of mechanism. The idea that organisms have an effect on their environment and therefore on all aspects of their own ecology and evoltution is not really new. This is echoed in the protests of many ecologists’ decades ago that man is NOT destroying nature; man is destroying his place in nature. What is new is the explicit statement that this is a key evolutionary process, even that it is as important as natural selection. I don't see this. Regardless of how an environment was changed, it is still through natural selection that evolutionary pressures are exerted. Even the concept says these changes in environment shift the selective pressures. So to say niche construction is as important (equal to) natural selection, in mind is the same as saying it is the only mechanism leading to natural selection.

I don't dispute any of their process claims. But consider the earthworm example. Is the earthworm population changing its environment? Or is it merely sustaining and maintaining its environment? Or is it merely one component of the maintenance of that environment? One square meter of soil can have up to 300,000 individuals living in the top 12"; bacteria, protozoa, all kinds of microorganisms, tiny insects and other arthropods, fungi, etc. Every one of them has a role in maintaining the condition of the soil. The concept of key-stone species is old, and kind of the same concept as niche construction, from an opposite perspective. If you remove a species from the environment, it will have a change on the environment. A keystone species is one whose removal would have a tremendous effect. Kill all the California Sea Otters, the shellfish population explodes, the kelp forces are destroyed, 100s of species populations are exploding, or crashing, or going through cycles of each.

The concept of niche construction seems to me to be just a different perspective, focus on, and explicit pulling together of mechanisms that have previously been used in interpretations of many examples. In that sense it seems to be a valuable term to use in discussions regarding evolution. Whether it is truly a major process in itself I'll suspend judgment to those working on it.

It would also seem niche ‘construction’ may not be the best term, as the proponents indicate the organisms effects on the environment are not always for the better.

It also seems that most organisms, evolving in a particular environment that is changing in many ways from many causes, typically evolve toward an optimum, sustainable condition. The idea of the feedback loop in the concept seems to address the process in an explicit manner. However it seems to leave out the idea that this cycle is heading toward a sustainable optimum, even if such is a moving target. It also, I suspect incorrectly, discounts the effect of 100s of species on the same environment. The target for a species isn’t moving just because of its own effects.

The target for every species is moving as the environment changes (regardless of cause). That idea may not have an explicit label, but it is an old component of evolutionary interpretations.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
You see the mechanisms in the outer section of the diagram ie niche construction and replicator theory or multilevel selection etc. Well these mechanisms are rarly (if ever) discussed on internet forums (none of them have been mentioned on this forum by any other users apart from myself), indeed most general lay people won't have a clue about them becuase these mechanisms have not quite broken into the "mainstream yet", they are found in evo-devo books, but not mainstream biology textbooks (they probably will be one day though), but they were (and still are) denied by the neo-Darwinian synthesis theorists. The extended synthesis is not anti-Darwinian but it has pointed out some errors in modern synthesis which says is incomplete and seeks to incoperate these new/er mechanisms into the synthesis however (there has been a controversy over this). My question is do users know of these mechanisms, and if so would you endorse the extended synthesis and these mechanisms or not?

As a general rule, I endorse the consensus opinion of scientists in any given field. There's rarely an opportunity to get into the specifics of anything outside the central circle in these debates because the creationists we talk to generally have no understanding of these basic concepts.

It's a given that our search for knowledge is never complete. Science progresses. New hypotheses are developed, tested, repeated, reviewed, and affirmed or rejected on their merits. It's the nature of the job to understand that our knowledge is imperfect and incomplete. If that were not so, biologists would have nothing to do all day.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
The thing is, most of that is already integrated into modern evolutionary thinking and as such there is no need for a grand re-branding of evolution.

We don't need to rename evolution every time someone adds something new to it.

Personally, I find "Replicator Theory" to be a nice thought experiment but not actually very valuable. Yes, particular genes (and more so, alleles of genes) are selected for or against, but in the context of the whole organism and all the other genes within it. This is one of the areas that I tend to disagree with Dawkins.

wa:do
 
painted wolf said:
Personally, I find "Replicator Theory" to be a nice thought experiment but not actually very valuable. Yes, particular genes (and more so, alleles of genes) are selected for or against, but in the context of the whole organism and all the other genes within it. This is one of the areas that I tend to disagree with Dawkins.
I hesitate to question anything you say on evolution, O great one. :) But it seems to me that Dawkins emphasized that very point, repeatedly, in The Selfish Gene and The Extended Phenotype.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I hesitate to question anything you say on evolution, O great one. :) But it seems to me that Dawkins emphasized that very point, repeatedly, in The Selfish Gene and The Extended Phenotype.
Ah, well then I guess I'll actually have to read them then. ;)

But, this brings up another point. I don't tend to get behind hypothesis that are only put forward in pop-sci books. Regardless of how well written they are.

I'm unaware of any experimental evidence that supports his ideas. But I'd be happy to be corrected on this. :D

wa:do
 
As a general rule, I endorse the consensus opinion of scientists in any given field.

Whilst evolution is a fact, there is no agreed theory. So looking for the consensus opinion on evolution theory does not work. There are orthodox neo-Darwinists, there are extended evolutionary theorists, and of course there are totally non-Darwinians, there is little agreement between any of them apart from that they all accept the fact evolution is a reality. There is no unified agreement on the mechanisms (dispite what you might read on internet forums), and to be honest there probably will never be.
 

Agnostic75

Well-Known Member
ecologist88 said:
Whilst evolution is a fact, there is no agreed theory. So looking for the consensus opinion on evolution theory does not work. There are orthodox neo-Darwinists, there are extended evolutionary theorists, and of course there are totally non-Darwinians, there is little agreement between any of them apart from that they all accept the fact evolution is a reality. There is no unified agreement on the mechanisms (dispite what you might read on internet forums), and to be honest there probably will never be.

I would like to recommend to you my new thread that is titled "Evolution is a theory, and a fact."

How do you think that life began on earth, and in the universe? I don't want to derail this thread, I am just curious about your worldview. I am curious since all of your recent threads talk about what we don't know, and do not celebrate very much what we do know. Whatever mistakes Charles Darwin made, he got a lot right, and is greatly admired by the majority of biologists, and will still be greatly admired by the majority of biologists a hundred years from now.
 
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painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Are there any sciences where the mechanisms are totally agreed on and not a subject of some debate?

Honestly, amongst biologists the debate is more about what mechanisms are more prevalent under certain circumstances... Even in every example you have presented thus far.

wa:do
 
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