Evolution is not atheistic

[Draka]

Just want to try to clear this up as I appear to be seeing this again. Evolution is NOT an atheistic stance or "belief". Evolution is NOT "against god". One can be a theist and completely accept evolution. Evolution as a scientific theory makes no claim whatsoever about the existence or non-existence of any deity. It has nothing to do with atheism, just like gravity, solar energy, and the speed of light have nothing to do with atheism.

My name is Draka, I am a theist, and I accept evolution.

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[Me Myself]

My name is Me Myself (well, username! )

I am a panenTHEIST

I accept evolution that I have been taught in both of my RELIGIOUS private highschools I´ve been

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[9-10ths_Penguin]

Just want to try to clear this up as I appear to be seeing this again. Evolution is NOT an atheistic stance or "belief". Evolution is NOT "against god". One can be a theist and completely accept evolution. Evolution as a scientific theory makes no claim whatsoever about the existence or non-existence of any deity. It has nothing to do with atheism, just like gravity, solar energy, and the speed of light have nothing to do with atheism.

Well.... kinda no.

I agree that evolution doesn't say anything about whether god(s) exist or not, but it does have something to say about the characteristics of god(s) if they do exist.

Evolution suggests that life on Earth arose by an unguided process. This goes against the idea in many theistic belief systems that life on Earth developed under the guidance of God/a god/gods.

 

[Me Myself]

Evolution suggests that life on Earth arose by an unguided process. This goes against the idea in many theistic belief systems that life on Earth developed under the guidance of God/a god/gods.

It may go against some specific forms of guidance, but not necesarily against others.


Catholic church teaches evolution as a process God left in his creation.

 

[Draka]

Well.... kinda no.

I agree that evolution doesn't say anything about whether god(s) exist or not, but it does have something to say about the characteristics of god(s) if they do exist.

Evolution suggests that life on Earth arose by an unguided process. This goes against the idea in many theistic belief systems that life on Earth developed under the guidance of God/a god/gods.

No, it really doesn't. It makes so such claim. It just explains a process. It doesn't speak to any characteristics of any deity. It doesn't "speak" to anything. It's a scientific theory. An explanation of facts. That's it. Plain and simple. Really, please don't feed into the erroneous idea that evolution is atheistic in nature and, therefore, "against god". We have enough people who seem to think it is this huge atheistic conspiracy out to bring people away from "god".

 

[Valjean]

An observable mechanism of change is not a "characteristic of God," Penguin.

The idea that there's an understandable mechanism causing something might obviate the need for an interfering personage, but it doesn't address the question of agency at all. The religious are reading that into it the same way they read heresy into Gallileo's theory of a moving Earth.

Any scientific theory that explains a phenomenon previously "explained" by magic is likely to be accused of being anti-theistic. Why is this one, particular theory always singled out? There are plenty of others that are just as iconoclastic, if not more so.

 

[outhouse]

Just want to try to clear this up as I appear to be seeing this again. Evolution is NOT an atheistic stance or "belief". Evolution is NOT "against god". One can be a theist and completely accept evolution. Evolution as a scientific theory makes no claim whatsoever about the existence or non-existence of any deity. It has nothing to do with atheism, just like gravity, solar energy, and the speed of light have nothing to do with atheism.

My name is Draka, I am a theist, and I accept evolution.

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Theist discovered evolution and more theist believe in evolution the atheist if you get right down to it :yes:

 

[painted wolf]

My (user)name is PaintedWolf, I'm a theist and I accept the scientific evidence for evolution.
I've also done experiments exploring it.

wa:do

 

[Apex]

Just want to try to clear this up as I appear to be seeing this again. Evolution is NOT an atheistic stance or "belief". Evolution is NOT "against god". One can be a theist and completely accept evolution. Evolution as a scientific theory makes no claim whatsoever about the existence or non-existence of any deity. It has nothing to do with atheism, just like gravity, solar energy, and the speed of light have nothing to do with atheism.

My name is Draka, I am a theist, and I accept evolution.

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Frubals:clap

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[Shadow Wolf]

Well.... kinda no.

I agree that evolution doesn't say anything about whether god(s) exist or not, but it does have something to say about the characteristics of god(s) if they do exist.

Evolution suggests that life on Earth arose by an unguided process. This goes against the idea in many theistic belief systems that life on Earth developed under the guidance of God/a god/gods.

Not really. Evolution and Natural Selection suggest how the diversity of life came to be in it's past, present, and future state. And to say it's entirely unguided is to ignore the environmental factors that do play a part in species ability to adapt and the general course of evolution.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

My name is Draka, I am a theist, and I accept evolution.

As long as we're at it, "Hi, I'm Sandy and I'm a creationust who accepts evolution."

 

[Breathe]

My username is Odion.
I am a panentheist. I accept evolution and I enjoy science as a whole.

I'll take a doughnut now.

 

[Draka]

As long as we're at it, "Hi, I'm Sandy and I'm a creationust who accepts evolution."

Interesting. Theistic evolution?

 

[idav]

Evolution suggests that life on Earth arose by an unguided process.

I think this is why many theists have a problem with evolution because they probably see the same thing. It seems to me that when life sparks that lifeforms in a way guide themselves but at the same time determinism would show that everything was spelled out since the beginning which is a good case for it being guided especially if we can predict where it is headed and possibly change it's course.

 

[Looncall]

I think this is why many theists have a problem with evolution because they probably see the same thing. It seems to me that when life sparks that lifeforms in a way guide themselves but at the same time determinism would show that everything was spelled out since the beginning which is a good case for it being guided especially if we can predict where it is headed and possibly change it's course.

Yet there are stochastic parts of the evolutionary process (mutation and environmental changes). If a species doesn't happen to have a mutation that allows it to handle an environmental change that happens to occur, the species goes extinct. Evolution has no look-ahead at all.

You don't get to weasel your god into things this way.

 

[idav]

Yet there are stochastic parts of the evolutionary process (mutation and environmental changes). If a species doesn't happen to have a mutation that allows it to handle an environmental change that happens to occur, the species goes extinct. Evolution has no look-ahead at all.

You don't get to weasel your god into things this way.

Come on, you expect everything should just live on forever. Obviously things don't work that way. We are in a cycle.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Most people who think that you have to be an atheist to "believe" in evolution, understand neither atheism, nor evolution - nor much of anything else for that matter.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well.... kinda no. I agree that evolution doesn't say anything about whether god(s) exist or not, but ...

In other words, kinda yes.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

In other words, kinda yes.

There's a rather big difference between recognizing in a general sense that it's possible for god-concepts to be compatible with evolution and jumping to the conclusion that some specific god-concept is compatible with it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It may go against some specific forms of guidance, but not necesarily against others.


Catholic church teaches evolution as a process God left in his creation.

The Catholic Church teaches monogenism... i.e. that all human beings are descended from an original pair of humans. This claim is incompatible with how we now know speciation works. IOW, it's incompatible with evolution.

It's just that it's incompatible in a much more subtle way than, say, young Earth creationism, so this fact doesn't get as much press.

No, it really doesn't. It makes so such claim. It just explains a process. It doesn't speak to any characteristics of any deity. It doesn't "speak" to anything. It's a scientific theory. An explanation of facts. That's it. Plain and simple.

Yes, and many religions teach an alternate set of facts that don't align with the science. If your religion isn't one of these then that's great, but not all religions are like that.

Really, please don't feed into the erroneous idea that evolution is atheistic in nature and, therefore, "against god". We have enough people who seem to think it is this huge atheistic conspiracy out to bring people away from "god".

I'm not saying that it's "atheistic" in nature. It's compatible with atheism, sure, but what I'm saying is that it's incompatible with some religious beliefs.

I think this is why many theists have a problem with evolution because they probably see the same thing.

But it's not just evolution that has this "problem". The same holds true for, say, hydrodynamics: through Bernoulli's Law and other science, we know that the motion of water in a river is the result of pressure interactions within the water and between the water and the material of the river channel. This means that it's not the result of, say, invisible angels guiding it.

Conceptually, evolution's not that different. It's just that some people get worked up about evolution because they've invested themselves in the idea that evolution is being guided by God. For whatever reason, they haven't invested themselves in a similar way in the idea that angels keep rivers flowing the way they do.