Evolution of Human

[CynthiaCypher]

Feargod is insisting that birds did not learn to nest it is instinct, which frankly is a win for evolution either way.

He keeps shooting himself in the foot.

 

[metis]

One of the things we seemingly experience is well said in the adage that "everything changes-- nothing stays the same". Therefore, in order to posit a "creator", there has to be the leap of faith that somehow this creator was never created. But how could one possibly know that? Which of us is 13.8 billion years old, although I'm pretty close to that.

Is there a "first cause" to all? I have my doubts, and I do believe infinity is a good possibility, so I tend to more lean in that direction. But then, what do I know?

 

[FearGod]

Why did you ignore my question?

Would someone have to teach you or could you learn? How long would it take?

I don't see that you have a question.

How feeling cold is comparable to incubation and hatching.

 

[idav]

I don't see that you have a question.

How feeling cold is comparable to incubation and hatching.

This reminds me of my kids, they can ask why every single time they get another answer. Eventually there isn't a "why" and requires an "i don't know". What is your ultimate question, where are your questions leading?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

This reminds me of my kids, they can ask why every single time they get another answer. Eventually there isn't a "why" and requires an "i don't know". What is your ultimate question, where are your questions leading?

Why is the sky blue?

 

[FearGod]

I have said my points. That the source of knowledge doesn't take away from the intelligence it talks to use the knowledge.

Those two things aren't even remotely similar. Whats your point?

Can you see a similarity in a bird building a nest and humans building a hammock. They take knowledge and intelligence even in you never had to learn it. How long before human babies know that they can stack sticks?

I gave you another example and you described it as a straw man one.

How sex instinct , eroticism and erection works similarly nesting is an instinct and not due to learning and intelligence, it is wired in and the bird will do it without thinking similarly the penis will erect without thinking, it is programmed but it is up to you to think that there was a programmer or the unconscious nature did it by one way or the other.

Nesting instinct - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I gave you another example and you described it as a straw man one.

How sex instinct , eroticism and erection works similarly nesting is an instinct and not due to learning and intelligence, it is wired in and the bird will do it without thinking similarly the penis will erect without thinking, it is programmed but it is up to you to think that there was a programmer or the unconscious nature did it by one way or the other.

Nesting instinct - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes there is a programmer and that programmer is evolution and natural selection. Do you have any evidence that it is not?

 

[ScuzManiac]

I don't see that you have a question.

How feeling cold is comparable to incubation and hatching.

WOULD YOU HAVE TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE BUNDLE UP TO GET WARM...

OR WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT ON YOUR OWN?

Is that question too tough? And how is it comparable?

I never said it was. I just asked a simple question regarding learning/teaching.

I think you're really underestimating the intelligence of animals so....

We'll run a little experiment.

Since we garnered all of this intelligence at once, here's what we will do.

Go out into the woods with NOTHING for a month. See how well you do...

Ya know, compared to a stupid bear or fox.

Surely you will do better than those idiots 100,000+ years ago did.

 

[FearGod]

WOULD YOU HAVE TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE BUNDLE UP TO GET WARM...

OR WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT ON YOUR OWN?

And we don't need to see how a person urinate and defecate as to learn, similarly the bird doesn't need to see and learn how to sit on the egg for the time needed for hatching.

That make sense, you won.

 

[idav]

And we don't need to see how a person urinate and defecate as to learn, similarly the bird doesn't need to see and learn how to sit on the egg for the time needed for hatching.

Animals figure stuff out, they do in fact learn. If it is natural then they didn't have to learn it like heart beating and breathing. The nest thing is way out their on your example, building requires learning. Where is your proof birds can just be born able to build a nest? Babies see it from parents.

Your all over the place.

 

[FearGod]

Animals figure stuff out, they do in fact learn. If it is natural then they didn't have to learn it like heart beating and breathing. The nest thing is way out their on your example, building requires learning. Where is your proof birds can just be born able to build a nest? Babies see it from parents.

Your all over the place.

Yes experiments prove that birds are only programmed to do specific tasks.

Creation or evolution?

 

[idav]

Yes experiments prove that birds are only programmed to do specific tasks.

Creation or evolution?

Evidence suggest birds can learn to talk too. Is what your saying supposed to suggest that birds are not intelligent cause thats the wrong conclusion to draw from instincts existing. Having instincts doesn't mean you can't learn anything new.

 

[Ouroboros]

Apes can learn. There are plenty of examples of that. And cats, dogs, and more. How else can they have a bird show with birds doing tricks that they were taught by a trainer if they can't learn?

I think I read somewhere about some birds changing their signals and melodies over different areas while migrating, but don't quote me on that.

 

[idav]

Apes can learn. There are plenty of examples of that. And cats, dogs, and more. How else can they have a bird show with birds doing tricks that they were taught by a trainer if they can't learn?

I think I read somewhere about some birds changing their signals and melodies over different areas while migrating, but don't quote me on that.

Wait but... but.... why aren't monkeys doing quantum mechanics, why aren't dolphins flying to space!?! Eh? Cause evolution hates them!!!

 

[Ouroboros]

Wait but... but.... why aren't monkeys doing quantum mechanics, why aren't dolphins flying to space!?! Eh? Cause evolution hates them!!!

LOL! Yes. That's it.

I can't imagine animals unable to learn new things. I've been do bird shows, dog shows, and even seen dolphins and killer whales. They can do stuff on command. And some dogs know how to skateboard. Did they get that programmed by God in their DNA? God knew that we would invent skateboards one day 6,000 later and just for the heck of it he planted "skateboard" genes in some dogs but not all of them? (Not all dogs can skateboard, so it must be a very selective gene. :sarcastic)

 

[Sapiens]

Wait but... but.... why aren't monkeys doing quantum mechanics, why aren't dolphins flying to space!?! Eh? Cause evolution hates them!!!

You have an extremely taxocentristic view of what it means to be intelligent. Can you detect cancer and pregnancy with self-produced sound waves? Dolphins can.

 

[Thief]

You have an extremely taxocentristic view of what it means to be intelligent. Can you detect cancer and pregnancy with self-produced sound waves? Dolphins can.

Too bad they don't have the fingers for surgery.

 

[Thief]

LOL! Yes. That's it.

I can't imagine animals unable to learn new things. I've been do bird shows, dog shows, and even seen dolphins and killer whales. They can do stuff on command. And some dogs know how to skateboard. Did they get that programmed by God in their DNA? God knew that we would invent skateboards one day 6,000 later and just for the heck of it he planted "skateboard" genes in some dogs but not all of them? (Not all dogs can skateboard, so it must be a very selective gene. :sarcastic)

And I've seen more than one documentary about bird intelligence.
They can problem solve.
They seem to lean to the effort.
They might even enjoy it!

And chimps can do what we humans cannot.
Saw it.

Picture a tv screen with numbers one thru ten in random location.
The screen goes blank.
If you can touch the screen in the order of ascending value....you get to eat.

Chimps do it quick and easy.
Humans can't hardly get to the number five.
We would starve.

 

[metis]

Apes can learn. There are plenty of examples of that. And cats, dogs, and more. How else can they have a bird show with birds doing tricks that they were taught by a trainer if they can't learn?

Chimps and gorillas are intelligent enough to quickly realize that, if you put a mirror in front of them, the reflection they see is themselves. Then they'll make faces and do other crazy things to entertain themselves. Ravens also have shown a remarkable ability to think and not just react instinctively.

Decades ago, it used to be believed that us humans are the only animals that reason, but now we know that is simply not true.

 

[FearGod]

Chimps and gorillas are intelligent enough to quickly realize that, if you put a mirror in front of them, the reflection they see is themselves. Then they'll make faces and do other crazy things to entertain themselves. Ravens also have shown a remarkable ability to think and not just react instinctively.

Decades ago, it used to be believed that us humans are the only animals that reason, but now we know that is simply not true.

And after realizing himself in the mirror he started to think how to shave his beard and to comb his hair.
What kind of intelligence as just to be surprised and shocked by seeing oneself in the mirror.