Evolution of Human

[ScuzManiac]

And we don't need to see how a person urinate and defecate as to learn, similarly the bird doesn't need to see and learn how to sit on the egg for the time needed for hatching.

That make sense, you won.

That's a huge difference.

You're going to pee and **** regardless of whether you learn or not.

It's only going to be a matter of WHERE you pee or ****.

And yes, I won.

 

[FearGod]

FearGod, do you think what this crow does is instinct or intelligence? No human trainer taught him this. So did the crow figure it out on his own thinking, or is it instinct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8L4KNrPEs0

More examples of animal intelligence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75y-fIrvkow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH34oOs1odU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocf1iweoGxM

It seems that you mixed things up here.

I didn't say that animals can't make their own decisions which is a normal thing, but to say that instinct is an intelligent behavior is the stupid thing to believe in.

Nesting is wired in the birds, so it'll do it without thinking and it'll sit as well on its eggs without thinking.

I gave example for the sex instinct in humans, it isn't learned and it isn't due to intelligence, it is just there.

Now how such program works, software needed which is the sex arousal which include vision, touch,sound ..etc then the hardware including the penis which will eventually erect.

So such a thing is well designed and programmed to happen without learning and without the need for any kind of intelligence.

 

[FearGod]

That's a huge difference.

You're going to pee and **** regardless of whether you learn or not.

It's only going to be a matter of WHERE you pee or ****.

And yes, I won.

So you won't pee if there is no place to pee.

Explain it to me how you can't pee if there is no specific place for it.

How that is comparable to nesting which is a must for the birds in order to survive.

 

[ScuzManiac]

So you won't pee if there is no place to pee.

Explain it to me how you can't pee if there is no specific place for it.

How that is comparable to nesting which is a must for the birds in order to survive.

Can you not read?

I didn't say that at all.

I said that you made a poor example.

If you have to pee, you WILL pee. It's just a matter of where it is.

You may pee your pants, in a bush, or in a toilet.

The fact of the matter is: you WILL pee.

The same thing applies to nesting.

Obviously, it's now instinct and is taught because it's been done for so long and it works...

But there didn't HAVE to be a teacher. Trial and error.

A bird is smart enough to figure out that laying eggs (and leaving them) directly on the ground doesn't work most of the time.

So, they may have tried laying them in grass.

Then, they could have piled up the grass.

Before you know it, we have nests.

The point is...there doesn't have to be a teacher for ANYTHING.

That goes for humans, animals, anything.

 

[FearGod]

Can you not read?

I didn't say that at all.

I said that you made a poor example.

If you have to pee, you WILL pee. It's just a matter of where it is.

You may pee your pants, in a bush, or in a toilet.

The fact of the matter is: you WILL pee.

The same thing applies to nesting.

Obviously, it's now instinct and is taught because it's been done for so long and it works...

But there didn't HAVE to be a teacher. Trial and error.

A bird is smart enough to figure out that laying eggs (and leaving them) directly on the ground doesn't work most of the time.

So, they may have tried laying them in grass.

Then, they could have piled up the grass.

Before you know it, we have nests.

The point is...there doesn't have to be a teacher for ANYTHING.

That goes for humans, animals, anything.

And every bird of the same kind have this skill and then all were smart enough to have the same idea for nesting.

How the birds in the cage that never saw a nest before can nest by giving it the raw material.

Adult humans don't pee on their pants except the mad ones but the animals will pee even if you tried to wear them cloths.

Animals intelligent and behavior is incomparable to human, we are completely different, whatever you try, facts are stronger than me and you.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

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Adult humans don't pee on their pants except the mad ones but the animals will pee even if you tried to wear them cloths.

Most animals don't have hands to take clothes off in order to pee. Has little to do with intelligence.

 

[FearGod]

Most animals don't have hands to take clothes off in order to pee. Has little to do with intelligence.

What about the ones that can use their hands such as the chimps.

 

[Sapiens]

What about the ones that can use their hands such as the chimps.

They lack a precision grip, a major human advance.

 

[Parsimony]

Adult humans don't pee on their pants.

They will if they have to go badly enough and can't make it to potty in time. =p

 

[Sapiens]

Adult humans don't pee on their pants except the mad ones...

and us old ones, but you are far to inexperienced to understand that.

 

[fantome profane]

What about the ones that can use their hands such as the chimps.

I don't know if any research has been done on the topic, but I imagine that a chimpanzee that was wearing pants would be able to figure out that they should be removed before urinating.

 

[FearGod]

and us old ones, but you are far to inexperienced to understand that.

Yes it may happens.

 

[Ouroboros]

Washoe, the chimpanzee who wore clothes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washoe_(chimpanzee)

It was also the first chimp to learn sign-language. It called a swan a "water-bird" in sign. Amazing.

 

[ScuzManiac]

And every bird of the same kind have this skill and then all were smart enough to have the same idea for nesting.

How the birds in the cage that never saw a nest before can nest by giving it the raw material.

Adult humans don't pee on their pants except the mad ones but the animals will pee even if you tried to wear them cloths.

Animals intelligent and behavior is incomparable to human, we are completely different, whatever you try, facts are stronger than me and you.

Now you are flip flopping again.

We potty train our children to use toilets....

But if we don't...they'll still pee and poop.

They probably just won't do it in the toilet.

So, under your theory, shouldn't humans have this "instinct" as well?

Shouldn't we just naturally pee and poop in the toilet by now?

So, if there IS an ultimate teacher, does that mean birds are smarter than us?

Ya know, since they've passed on this so called nesting trait and we haven't passed on a potty trait.

And you said adults don't **** their pants which is correct (in most cases)...

But adult birds also don't live in nests. And not ALL birds even build nests.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

5 Animals Who Taught Themselves Eerily Human Skills | Cracked.com

A short article on 5 animals who have developed humanesque abilities.

Shows that we are not the only ones out there who are learning.

 

[FearGod]

Now you are flip flopping again.

We potty train our children to use toilets....

But if we don't...they'll still pee and poop.

They probably just won't do it in the toilet.

So, under your theory, shouldn't humans have this "instinct" as well?

Shouldn't we just naturally pee and poop in the toilet by now?

So, if there IS an ultimate teacher, does that mean birds are smarter than us?

Ya know, since they've passed on this so called nesting trait and we haven't passed on a potty trait.

And you said adults don't **** their pants which is correct (in most cases)...

But adult birds also don't live in nests. And not ALL birds even build nests.

And for how long did we stay on earth as a wise human (Homo sapiens) till we realize that we need a putty.

Were the idea for a putty in need for around 200,000 years of thinking.

So rationally speaking the baby human won't pee in a specific place and won't know how to make his own potty once he grow up if not taught to do so, but the bird knows how to make his own nest regardless of learning and without seeing the others doing so, it is an instinct for the bird to build his own nest.

 

[ScuzManiac]

And for how long did we stay on earth as a wise human (Homo sapiens) till we realize that we need a putty.

Were the idea for a putty in need for around 200,000 years of thinking.

So rationally speaking the baby human won't pee in a specific place and won't know how to make his own potty once he grow up if not taught to do so, but the bird knows how to make his own nest regardless of learning and without seeing the others doing so, it is an instinct for the bird to build his own nest.

1. So, humans (you said we're smarter than animals) need a teacher but birds don't?

2. Birds have been on the planet approximately 750 times longer than humans.

Do the math and your question is answered.



*We don't need putty unless we want to play or have a leak.
**We need a potty when we have to **** or ****.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Many non-avian dinosaurs also built nests.

 

[ScuzManiac]

Many non-avian dinosaurs also built nests.

As do cats.

 

[Sapiens]

... and rats.