Evolution of Human

[Aupmanyav]

What heavens? If a human is worthwhile, why not a tarsier too? Don't they too have souls (now that I am told Christians accept soul in dogs)? Who breaths-in life in dogs?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So the discussion still remains hung up on deciding if we humans have evolved more so than the rest of the animal kingdom.....

No. You can't "evolve more". Everything is just as "evolved" as everything else, we just evolved in a particular direction.

As if we are attempting to deny our own humanity!......really?

No. Nobody here has said that humans are not human, and only a fool would equate the fact that humans are animals with denying our humanity.

Evolution versus creation and we are headed to what?
Denying anything Greater?

No. Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with "anything greater".

We humans are top of the line life form?

No. See above. Evolution doesn't work like that.

and here we are making comparisons to other mammals as if there is no difference!

No. There are obvious differences which make us human, but that doesn't mean still aren't also mammals.

I say Man has indeed diverged from the rest of the animal kingdom.
(and here I am, having to state the obvious.)

Yes, we have. But we are still animals. No amount of evolutionary divergence is going to change that.

I further say, that divergence happened suddenly.

No. The change happened over a period of millions of years. Evolution cannot occur "suddenly".

For several thousand years discussion has been attempted to explain how.

And for the last 100 or so years we've understood exactly how: evolution.

I find it remarkable that on old piece of scripture has one plausible account...

And what would that be?

 

[FearGod]

What heavens? If a human is worthwhile, why not a tarsier too? Don't they too have souls (now that I am told Christians accept soul in dogs)? Who breaths-in life in dogs?

It is God plan that human is worthwhile and not the tarsier, chicken or dog.

 

[Thief]

No. You can't "evolve more". Everything is just as "evolved" as everything else, we just evolved in a particular direction.


No. Nobody here has said that humans are not human, and only a fool would equate the fact that humans are animals with denying our humanity.


No. Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with "anything greater".


No. See above. Evolution doesn't work like that.


No. There are obvious differences which make us human, but that doesn't mean still aren't also mammals.


Yes, we have. But we are still animals. No amount of evolutionary divergence is going to change that.


No. The change happened over a period of millions of years. Evolution cannot occur "suddenly".


And for the last 100 or so years we've understood exactly how: evolution.


And what would that be?

Your list of denials is noted.
You get to try it again as we stand before heaven.

Good luck.

 

[idav]

Did the bird invent the nest by knowledge and thinking or an innate instinct or a DNA issue ?

There is no difference in all that. They are sentient beings.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Your list of denials is noted.

They weren't denials - they were answers. You asked a bunch of questions and I answered them. You are clearly very ignorant with regards to the subject of human evolution, and I felt I was doing you a service in answering your queries and correcting your misconceptions.

You're welcome.

 

[McBell]

Your list of denials is noted.
You get to try it again as we stand before heaven.

Good luck.

What is it you claim he is denying?

 

[Ouroboros]

If they learn then I'd have to say they invent.

And design and create.

 

[FearGod]

There is no difference in all that. They are sentient beings.

There is no difference between thinking and an innate instinct in the sentient beings.

Do men attracted to women due to the power of thinking or due to the sex instinct.

Instincts in humans

 

[idav]

There is no difference between thinking and an innate instinct in the sentient beings.

Do men attracted to women due to the power of thinking or due to the sex instinct.

Instincts in humans

Do you have a point with these runon questions? Birds are intelligent beings as we are with or without instinct. In we can act on instructions its cause we are intelligent beings.

 

[FearGod]

Do you have a point with these runon questions? Birds are intelligent beings as we are with or without instinct. In we can act on instructions its cause we are intelligent beings.

So if birds are intelligent beings and they learn how to build their own nests,the question is who taught them or who was the first one to invent the idea of building nests and if all birds do it regardless of thinking then how can we regard it as an invention or a product of thinking.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

So if birds are intelligent beings and they learn how to build their own nests,the question is who taught them or who was the first one to invent the idea of building nests and if all birds do it regardless of thinking then how can we regard it as an invention or a product of thinking.

Birds likely learn by watching.

Does it matter which bird was the first though? That question doesn't need to be answered to get the point across that birds are intelligent. It's a separate issue and birds don't have their own written history.

We don't know which individual human made the first spear or which individual discovered fire.

 

[FearGod]

Birds likely learn by watching.

Does it matter which bird was the first though? That question doesn't need to be answered to get the point across that birds are intelligent. It's a separate issue and birds don't have their own written history.

We don't know which individual human made the first spear or which individual discovered fire.

Rationally speaking there is no escape from a first teacher, not only for building their own nests but also for the idea of sitting on their eggs and the way they communicate, intelligence alone isn't the answer.

 

[idav]

Rationally speaking there is no escape from a first teacher, not only for building their own nests but also for the idea of sitting on their eggs and the way they communicate, intelligence alone isn't the answer.

We see that the increase of knowledge is attainable through written history. Original thoughts are always possible due to external and internal influences.

 

[AndromedaRXJ]

Rationally speaking there is no escape from a first teacher, not only for building their own nests but also for the idea of sitting on their eggs and the way they communicate, intelligence alone isn't the answer.

It's besides the point though.

Not knowing the first bird that built a ness doesn't take away from their intelligence.

 

[Thief]

They weren't denials - they were answers. You asked a bunch of questions and I answered them. You are clearly very ignorant with regards to the subject of human evolution, and I felt I was doing you a service in answering your queries and correcting your misconceptions.

You're welcome.

Incorrect assumptions on your part.
I love science.
Genesis works because it's there.

 

[Thief]

Birds likely learn by watching.

Does it matter which bird was the first though? That question doesn't need to be answered to get the point across that birds are intelligent. It's a separate issue and birds don't have their own written history.

We don't know which individual human made the first spear or which individual discovered fire.

Saw a documentary about bird intelligence.

A pet raven was shown picking the lock on it's cage.
It then goes to his keeper's sport coat and snatches the wallet.
Back to the cage and then closes the door.

The owner had to set up a camera to find out how the bird got the wallet.

Wild birds can problem solve.
Multi-step reward systems seem an entertainment to them.

Higher up.....chimps can do things we cannot do.

 

[Bunyip]

Rationally speaking there is no escape from a first teacher.

Except for in the case of god right?

 

[Sapiens]

So the discussion still remains hung up on deciding if we humans have evolved more so than the rest of the animal kingdom.....

Everything has had exactly the same amount of time to evolve ... nothing is "more" or "less" evolved, everything is differently evolved.

As if we are attempting to deny our own humanity!......really?

"humanity" is nothing more than membership in a small group of species that keeps on growing.
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Evolution versus creation and we are headed to what?

There is no heading other than the immediate maximization of fitness to the immediate environment.

Denying anything Greater?

There is nothing greater, or are you just too special to accept that?

We humans are top of the line life form?

No, if you had to pick a top there are many parasites and symbiotes that have us badly beaten.

and here we are making comparisons to other mammals as if there is no difference!

That's because there in none.

I say Man has indeed diverged from the rest of the animal kingdom.
(and here I am, having to state the obvious.)

no more than most any other critter, 'cept some of us are egotistical enough to believe that horse pucky.

I further say, that divergence happened suddenly.
For several thousand years discussion has been attempted to explain how.

People who have spent their lives studying the evidence first hand would disagree with you, almost to a man.

I find it remarkable that on old piece of scripture has one plausible account...
written centuries before we 'apes' could see the technique as possible.

That's ex post facto rationalization driven by egotism that demands that you were specially created in the image of a divine creature.

 

[ScuzManiac]

Rationally speaking there is no escape from a first teacher, not only for building their own nests but also for the idea of sitting on their eggs and the way they communicate, intelligence alone isn't the answer.

Of course there is an escape from a teacher.

Do you need someone to teach you how to peel an orange?

Or could you give it a shot and eventually learn?

Not everything needs to be taught. Ever heard of trial and error?

You should try it.

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