"Evolution taken on faith" taken on faith.

[dust1n]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjgHd6HKtvE

"Principles of Evolution, Ecology and Behavior (EEB 122)

The lecture presents an overview of evolutionary biology and its two major components, microevolution and macroevolution. The idea of evolution goes back before Darwin, although Darwin thought of natural selection. Evolution is driven by natural selection, the correlation between organism traits and reproductive success, as well as random drift. The history of life goes back approximately 3.7 billion years to a common ancestor, and is marked with key events that affect all life.

00:00 - Chapter 1. Introduction
03:22 - Chapter 2. History of Evolutionary Studies
15:59 - Chapter 3. Conditions for Natural Selection
21:25 - Chapter 4. The Power of Selection and Adaptation
27:09 - Chapter 5. Drift
31:10 - Chapter 6. History of Life
39:33 - Chapter 7. Conclusion

Complete course materials are available at the Open Yale Courses website: Open Yale Courses

This course was recorded in Spring 2009."





Continue on to the second course if you want to just start to get into how much non-faith evolution is take upon. There are 24+ classes for the semester:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRBlEV8QR4A

"Principles of Evolution, Ecology and Behavior (EEB 122)

Genetic transmission is the mechanism that drives evolution. DNA encodes all the information necessary to make an organism. Every organism's DNA is made of the same basic parts, arranged in different orders. DNA is divided into chromosomes, or groups of genes, which code for proteins. Asexually reproducing organisms reproduce using mitosis, while sexually reproducing organisms reproduce using meiosis. Both these mechanisms involve duplication of DNA, which then gets passed to offspring. RNA is a key component in the duplication of DNA.

00:00 - Chapter 1. Introduction
01:29 - Chapter 2. Structure of DNA and Genetic Material
12:51 - Chapter 3. DNA Replication and Its Implications
25:56 - Chapter 4. Mendel's Laws
33:08 - Chapter 5. Mutations and Their Consequences

Complete course materials are available at the Open Yale Courses website: http://open.yale.edu/courses

This course was recorded in Spring 2009."

 

[averageJOE]

*raises hand*

"Does this class show how a bird turns into a dog?"

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Like I said before, wasted effort.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Yes, well evolution is only, and will only ever be, a theory. My cousin Jim Bob has a theory that the aliens who built the Pyramids are also putting mind-control drugs into McDonald's hamburgers. Believing evolution is no different than believing my cousin Jim Bob. I'll stick to the word of the all-knowing god, as perfectly recorded in the Holy Bible.

 

[bobhikes]

Yes, well evolution is only, and will only ever be, a theory. My cousin Jim Bob has a theory that the aliens who built the Pyramids are also putting mind-control drugs into McDonald's hamburgers. Believing evolution is no different than believing my cousin Jim Bob. I'll stick to the word of the all-knowing god, as perfectly recorded in the Holy Bible.

Well at least Jim Bob is eating healthier. I was wondering do they have eye witness quotes for any of those courses for any of the 3.7 billion years. You know it helps the Holy books to have all those eye witnesses.

 

[dust1n]

Any creationists out there? What have been your experience with biology classes?

 

[SkylarHunter]

Yes, well evolution is only, and will only ever be, a theory. My cousin Jim Bob has a theory that the aliens who built the Pyramids are also putting mind-control drugs into McDonald's hamburgers. Believing evolution is no different than believing my cousin Jim Bob. I'll stick to the word of the all-knowing god, as perfectly recorded in the Holy Bible.

I think you cousin might be right about McDonald's hamburgers, given the amount of people in the world who believe the stuff McDonald's sells qualifies as food.

 

[Ouroboros]

I think you cousin might be right about McDonald's hamburgers, given the amount of people in the world who believe the stuff McDonald's sells qualifies as food.

It's a food "kind."

 

[Ouroboros]

"Principles of Evolution, Ecology and Behavior (EEB 122)
...
This course was recorded in Spring 2009."

How silly and childish of you to think that people have to read, study, research, check information, watch videos, or learn something about a topic like evolution. We all know evolution just by absorption from anti-science propagandists. No need to get the facts. Just the dogmatic key-points are enough to know!
:run:

 

[dust1n]

How silly and childish of you to think that people have to read, study, research, check information, watch videos, or learn something about a topic like evolution. We all know evolution just by absorption from anti-science propagandists. No need to get the facts. Just the dogmatic key-points are enough to know!
:run:

It certainly does seem like that, as creationists ignore my thread.

 

[Twilight Hue]

*raises hand*

"Does this class show how a bird turns into a dog?"

I can't wait till genetic mutation class. Im gonna create a Dingusthru****cvulturious or the Screaming flying terror dog.

 

[Ouroboros]

*raises hand*

"Does this class show how a bird turns into a dog?"

I do know my dogs can create turds. Does that count?

 

[averageJOE]

I do know my dogs can create turds. Does that count?

I'm not sure. Because it still doesn't address how dogs were formed from the Big Bang.

 

[Ouroboros]

I'm not sure. Because it still doesn't address how dogs were formed from the Big Bang.

I asked one of my kids today, what came first? The chicken nugget or the beer keg? His answer was the beer keg because you have to be drunk to come up with something crazy as chicken nuggets. I think he has a point.

 

[bobhikes]

It certainly does seem like that, as creationists ignore my thread.

I've said this before and its still true. Other than Biologists and the medical profession evolution is not that important to the average person and takes a lot of schooling to understand completely.

I don't understand why people expect the average person to follow it. The only thing it is good for with the average person is fighting against God. That is why it is debated and thrown in the faces of religious people on religious forums. Unfortunately it is done mostly by people that don't understand evolution or God fully themselves and they do it badly.

Even myself that finds interest in Evolution, I would never complete those courses you listed as I am simply not that interested. There are many other important things for me.

 

[dust1n]

I've said this before and its still true. Other than Biologists and the medical profession evolution is not that important to the average person and takes a lot of schooling to understand completely.

I don't understand why people expect the average person to follow it. The only thing it is good for with the average person is fighting against God. That is why it is debated and thrown in the faces of religious people on religious forums. Unfortunately it is done mostly by people that don't understand evolution or God fully themselves and they do it badly.

Even myself that finds interest in Evolution, I would never complete those courses you listed as I am simply not that interested. There are many other important things for me.

If I found much merit in this argument, it would only be because people don't easily dismiss something they understand very little about; but they do. Most people who accept evolution, who aren't medical professions, etc., do because they took classes in it, or spent time researching it on their own to, to better understand it. Many people don't have perfect understandings of evolution, but they far beyond enough to know that creationism is a completely useless "scientific" concept.

 

[Alceste]

I've said this before and its still true. Other than Biologists and the medical profession evolution is not that important to the average person and takes a lot of schooling to understand completely.

I don't understand why people expect the average person to follow it. The only thing it is good for with the average person is fighting against God. That is why it is debated and thrown in the faces of religious people on religious forums. Unfortunately it is done mostly by people that don't understand evolution or God fully themselves and they do it badly.

Even myself that finds interest in Evolution, I would never complete those courses you listed as I am simply not that interested. There are many other important things for me.

It doesn't take much schooling to get the basic principles across. I can explain it to a child in five minutes without provoking the faintest whiff of confusion or disbelief, provided the child has not been previously trained by a religious group to reject it.

 

[bobhikes]

It doesn't take much schooling to get the basic principles across. I can explain it to a child in five minutes without provoking the faintest whiff of confusion or disbelief, provided the child has not been previously trained by a religious group to reject it.

And this is why its a problem. With only the basic principles you are going to be proven wrong at times. You are also not going to defend against someone better prepared. So you'll either give up because your not interested or do futher study. Most of us are to busy in our daily lives to do the futher study.

 

[Ouroboros]

And this is why its a problem. With only the basic principles you are going to be proven wrong at times. You are also not going to defend against someone better prepared. So you'll either give up because your not interested or do futher study. Most of us are to busy in our daily lives to do the futher study.

There's truth in that for sure.

It's basically intellectual laziness or indifference.

Unfortunately, ignorance of evolution does affect certain areas in our lives without us even realizing it. For instance misuse of antibiotics is partially to blame for MRSA and other superbugs. Not following the rules for buffer zones using pest resistant crops or not do rotation is the reason why new pesticide resistant bugs have evolved. These things we know, if you have learned about it, but those who don't know or don't care, these mistakes will be repeated in the future.

 

[Alceste]

And this is why its a problem. With only the basic principles you are going to be proven wrong at times. You are also not going to defend against someone better prepared. So you'll either give up because your not interested or do futher study. Most of us are to busy in our daily lives to do the futher study.

Creationists are not at all well prepared, though. They have no science to back their position, their arguments are deeply irrational, and they depend entirely on misinformation and ignorance of the basics to promote their view. IMO, a child who is educated on the basic principles is already well defended against the denialist view, because they will know the creationist depiction of what evolution means (cats turning into dogs and other such nonsense) is false. 90% of the time, that's all you need to know.