Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

[Me Myself]

1+1=2.

Holy ·"/$(%! YOU ARE RIGHT! o_o

 

[Nietzsche]

Holy ·"/$(%! YOU ARE RIGHT! o_o

I'll be honest. I went and did the math again myself. The alternative is Nyu being right about something. If he tells me the sun rises in the east, I'm waking up to see myself.

 

[Vishvavajra]

Holy post hoc ergo propter hoc, Batman!

Yeah, one might as well assert that the rise in (reported) depression is the result of hats' falling out of fashion. All those solar rays right on the noggin can't be good for you. On second thought, this little hypothesis of mine is actually more logical.

But we all know that literal belief in creation myths makes people happy. Or something.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Yeah, one might as well assert that the rise in (reported) depression is the result of hats' falling out of fashion. All those solar rays right on the noggin can't be good for you. On second thought, this little hypothesis of mine is actually more logical.

But we all know that literal belief in creation myths makes people happy. Or something.

The argument is that evolution theory destroys knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe, subjectivity depends on this knowledge, therefore evolution theory undermines subjectivity, leading to depression.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The argument is that evolution theory destroys knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe, subjectivity depends on this knowledge, therefore evolution theory undermines subjectivity, leading to depression.

Where does this supposed "knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe" come from? What knowledge?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Where does this supposed "knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe" come from? What knowledge?

Are you depressed?

 

[Vishvavajra]

The argument is that evolution theory destroys knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe, subjectivity depends on this knowledge, therefore evolution theory undermines subjectivity, leading to depression.

The theory of evolution by natural selection (i.e. what people mean when they use the shorthand "evolution") does not have cosmic significance. It has nothing to do with how stars and planets are formed, or even how the first organic life came to be. All it does is provide a working model for how genetic mutation can lead to adaptation over time. It is, however, the only theory that works in that context and accords with the evidence. There is no competing theory, and the modern fields of biology and medicine would not be able to function as they do if it were simply deleted.

As for how subjectivity depends on knowledge of how things are chosen in the universe, I must admit that I have no idea what you are talking about. You must be using the word "subjectivity" in a way I am not familiar with. Nor am I familiar with any theory according to which depression results from a lack of subjectivity. You're going to have to do a great deal of unpacking to make that assertion meaningful to anyone but yourself.

And even if you did manage to demonstrate a link between the teaching of evolutionary theory and depression, which seems extremely unlikely, that still doesn't suggest any particular solution to the problem. If studying astronomy makes people feel small and depressed, should we ban the teaching of astronomy? No doubt oncology is a depressing subject; perhaps we should keep people from learning about cancer. In fact, perhaps not telling children that people grow old and die will reduce the amount of depression in the world.

I doubt this, as I don't believe that delusion leads to happiness. Depression comes from delusional thinking, not from truth.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

The theory of evolution by natural selection (i.e. what people mean when they use the shorthand "evolution") does not have cosmic significance. It has nothing to do with how stars and planets are formed, or even how the first organic life came to be. All it does is provide a working model for how genetic mutation can lead to adaptation over time. It is, however, the only theory that works in that context and accords with the evidence. There is no competing theory, and the modern fields of biology and medicine would not be able to function as they do if it were simply deleted.

As for how subjectivity depends on knowledge of how things are chosen in the universe, I must admit that I have no idea what you are talking about. You must be using the word "subjectivity" in a way I am not familiar with. Nor am I familiar with any theory according to which depression results from a lack of subjectivity. You're going to have to do a great deal of unpacking to make that assertion meaningful to anyone but yourself.

And even if you did manage to demonstrate a link between the teaching of evolutionary theory and depression, which seems extremely unlikely, that still doesn't suggest any particular solution to the problem. If studying astronomy makes people feel small and depressed, should we ban the teaching of astronomy? No doubt oncology is a depressing subject; perhaps we should keep people from learning about cancer. In fact, perhaps not telling children that people grow old and die will reduce the amount of depression in the world.

I doubt this, as I don't believe that delusion leads to happiness. Depression comes from delusional thinking, not from truth.

Just saying blablabla enables you to ignore the reality that evolution theory is destroying knowledge about how things are chosen, and ignore subjectivity.

That is delusional. I expect you to know how choosing works, and how subjectivity depends on choosing. Then you can begin to have some argument.

 

[Vishvavajra]

Just saying blablabla enables you to ignore the reality that evolution theory is destroying knowledge about how things are chosen, and ignore subjectivity.

That is delusional. I expect you to know how choosing works, and how subjectivity depends on choosing. Then you can begin to have some argument.

OK, so I guess we're not actually having a discussion here. I invited you to explain your cryptic assertions, and instead you just repeat the same thing and suggest that anyone who doesn't automatically agree is delusional and/or willfully ignorant. For future reference, that is not how a discussion works. You might feel as if you've accomplished something here, whatever that might be, but helping others to understand your view (never mind being convinced of it) is most certainly not it.

The only subjectivity I see here is in the sense of holding views that have no objective reality and therefore don't make any sense to anyone else.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

OK, so I guess we're not actually having a discussion here. I invited you to explain your cryptic assertions, and instead you just repeat the same thing and suggest that anyone who doesn't automatically agree is delusional and/or willfully ignorant. For future reference, that is not how a discussion works. You might feel as if you've accomplished something here, whatever that might be, but helping others to understand your view (never mind being convinced of it) is most certainly not it.

The only subjectivity I see here is in the sense of holding views that have no objective reality and therefore don't make any sense to anyone else.

Your ignorance how subjectivity works is more evidence that evolutionists are indeed undermining subjectivity, thereby causing depression.

Or so to say, someone who knows how subjectivity and choosing works, would not respond the way you do.

 

[Vishvavajra]

Your ignorance how subjectivity works is more evidence that evolutionists are indeed undermining subjectivity, thereby causing depression.

Or so to say, someone who knows how subjectivity and choosing works, would not respond the way you do.

Your use of "subjectivity" and "choosing" is not the conventional use. It is jargon. One cannot be expected to understand your pet theory unless you explain it. If a person is incapable of understanding it unless they already agree with it, then discussion is pointless, and it's not clear what you think you're accomplishing here.

On the flipside, if you're going to say that anyone who doesn't see things the way you do must be delusional, mentally damaged, or willfully ignorant, then it seems there's no way to persuade you either. So again, what's the point? This is just you saying bizarre things and feeling superior. It's the intellectual equivalent of public masturbation.

I've given you more of a chance than most people would. Given the opportunity to explain your theory, you refuse to do so and turn hostile. What that tells everyone is that even you don't know what you're talking about and didn't expect anyone to actually question your assertions, despite this being a debate forum.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Your use of "subjectivity" and "choosing" is not the conventional use. It is jargon. One cannot be expected to understand your pet theory unless you explain it. If a person is incapable of understanding it unless they already agree with it, then discussion is pointless, and it's not clear what you think you're accomplishing here.

On the flipside, if you're going to say that anyone who doesn't see things the way you do must be delusional, mentally damaged, or willfully ignorant, then it seems there's no way to persuade you either. So again, what's the point? This is just you saying bizarre things and feeling superior. It's the intellectual equivalent of public masturbation.

I've given you more of a chance than most people would. Given the opportunity to explain your theory, you refuse to do so and turn hostile. What that tells everyone is that even you don't know what you're talking about and didn't expect anyone to actually question your assertions, despite this being a debate forum.

You don't know how subjectivity works, you are willfully ignorant about it. That's the truth, and you cause other people to not understand it as well, thereby you are directly guilty of causing depression, by undermining subjectivity altogether.

 

[Vishvavajra]

You don't know how subjectivity works, you are willfully ignorant about it. That's the truth, and you cause other people to not understand it as well, thereby you are directly guilty of causing depression, by undermining subjectivity altogether.

OK, just so I can demonstrate that it's not me: Does anybody have a clue what this guy is talking about?

Helpful tip: If something seems obvious to you, but not to anybody else, then it's not really obvious.

But at this point I'm pretty well convinced that you don't understand how subjectivity works either, since you're obviously incapable of explaining it. Does that mean you're a source of depression too? I'm just trying to understand here, heaven help me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Question:
Would teaching creationism in public schools & universities turn them into hellholes of depression?

It reminds me of a quote from the cartoon, Moral Orel.....
Doughy: Hey Orel, what did you put for number 3 on the science test?<br>Orel: Jesus.<br>Doughty: Oh, of course!<br>
Doughy:
Hey Orel, what did you put for number 3 on the science test?
Orel:
Jesus.
Doughty:
Oh, of course!
That might make me feel depressed.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

OK, just so I can demonstrate that it's not me: Does anybody have a clue what this guy is talking about?

Helpful tip: If something seems obvious to you, but not to anybody else, then it's not really obvious.

But at this point I'm pretty well convinced that you don't understand how subjectivity works either, since you're obviously incapable of explaining it. Does that mean you're a source of depression too? I'm just trying to understand here, heaven help me.

A lot of nonsense debating tactics.

You don't know how subjectivity works, that is why you talk around the issue, because you have no clue.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are you depressed?

Not at the moment.

So, where does this supposed "knowledge about how things are chosen in the universe" come from? What knowledge?

 

[SkepticThinker]

OK, just so I can demonstrate that it's not me: Does anybody have a clue what this guy is talking about?

Helpful tip: If something seems obvious to you, but not to anybody else, then it's not really obvious.

But at this point I'm pretty well convinced that you don't understand how subjectivity works either, since you're obviously incapable of explaining it. Does that mean you're a source of depression too? I'm just trying to understand here, heaven help me.

You certainly are not the only one. That's for sure.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

You certainly are not the only one. That's for sure.

Obviously, when you don't know how subjectivity works, you shouldn't be commenting on things like depression.

 

[Vishvavajra]

Obviously, when you don't know how subjectivity works, you shouldn't be commenting on things like depression.

How does subjectivity works? You can't say, so it's obvious that you don't know. Therefore you shouldn't be commenting on things like depression.

Depression is a mental health issue. Apparently you think you know better than all of the mental health professionals in the world. Yet you still can't cite your sources or even explain your argument beyond just repeating "I'm right and you're stupid" over and over again. There isn't anybody in the world who is going to find that persuasive.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

How does subjectivity works? You can't say, so it's obvious that you don't know. Therefore you shouldn't be commenting on things like depression.

Depression is a mental health issue. Apparently you think you know better than all of the mental health professionals in the world. Yet you still can't cite your sources or even explain your argument beyond just repeating "I'm right and you're stupid" over and over again. There isn't anybody in the world who is going to find that persuasive.

I'm sure mental health professionals generally use the same logic as in common discourse, which is creationist.

There is obviously no reasoning possible with you. It is nonsense that you are open to argument or being persuaded.