Evolution theory turns colleges into hellholes of depression

[Kirran]

This was my experience especially when tuition went up 300% for some of my courses. I could of built a house with the amount of bricks I was producing.

We do build up quite a bit of debt, but I think the British system is much less stress-producing. While you're in uni, anyway, it can get pretty stressful later.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Can Religion and Spirituality Cause Depression?

Details matter. I found 2 muslims on this forum saying love is electrochemistry in the brain.That is not faith, that is a pseudoscientific fact.

It just means religion in general shows signs of failing in the USA. It means religious people fail to properly acknowledge the human spirit, ignore the human spirit in favor of focusing on God.

There is a lot of acceptance of subjectivity in common sense, which explains why secularism in the short run would lead to less depression. The more complicated subjectivity in religious rites give way to the straightforward practical subjectivity in common sense, leading to more substantial socializing. However in the longer run when atheists starts to systematically think things through, they go away from common sense, and they come to systematically rule out all subjectivity, leading to increased depression.

 

[Kirran]

Details matter. I found 2 muslims on this forum saying love is electrochemistry in the brain.That is not faith, that is a pseudoscientific fact.

It just means religion in general shows signs of failing in the USA. It means religious people fail to properly acknowledge the human spirit, ignore the human spirit in favor of focusing on God.

There is a lot of acceptance of subjectivity in common sense, which explains why secularism in the short run would lead to less depression. The more complicated subjectivity in religious rites give way to the straightforward practical subjectivity in common sense, leading to more substantial socializing. However in the longer run when atheists starts to systematically think things through, they go away from common sense, and they come to systematically rule out all subjectivity, leading to increased depression.

Disregarding that I disagree with practically all of this - do you think that Christians are equally prone to depression as atheists, or is Christianity just as healthy as Islam? What about different Hindu movements (some of which are atheist, or polytheists, or monotheist, or pantheist etc), or Daoism, or various other faiths?

Also, how do you account for my being happy, and not depressed, despite being a non-atheist compatibilist?

 

[Kirran]

How do you account for higher rates of diagnosed clinical depression in the far-more religious Iran and Honduras than in the much more irreligious UK, France and Germany?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Disregarding that I disagree with practically all of this - do you think that Christians are equally prone to depression as atheists, or is Christianity just as healthy as Islam? What about different Hindu movements (some of which are atheist, or polytheists, or monotheist, or pantheist etc), or Daoism, or various other faiths?

Also, how do you account for my being happy, and not depressed, despite being a non-atheist compatibilist?

One just needs some oil in the machine to make it run. So only when one is completely bereft of emotions at points, does one acknowledge a problem, while one does not care for emotional depth if one still has some emotion in the system even if the level of emotion is quite low.

You simply use common sense, and not just use your compatibilism whatever in real life.

 

[Kirran]

One just needs some oil in the machine to make it run. So only when one is completely bereft of emotions at points, does one acknowledge a problem, while one does not care for emotional depth if one still has some emotion in the system even if the level of emotion is quite low.

So as long as somebody isn't a determinist, they're OK?

You simply use common sense, and not just use your compatibilism whatever in real life.

Well, I don't think you can use any kind of school of thought regarding free will in everyday life. How does one use libertarianism (the disbelief in physical determinism combined with the belief in free will) in everyday life?

Also, what do you think of that map?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

How do you account for higher rates of diagnosed clinical depression in the far-more religious Iran and Honduras than in the much more irreligious UK, France and Germany?

I already explained, it is because of reliance on common sense, in which there is much acceptance of subjectivity. Ofcourse many nations face identity crisis in relation to modernization. It is inaccurate to say that these religious nations have stable acceptance of religion. The acceptance of religion is often forced and not from the heart.

 

[Kirran]

I already explained, it is because of reliance on common sense, in which there is much acceptance of subjectivity. Ofcourse many nations face identity crisis in relation to modernization. It is inaccurate to say that these religious nations have stable acceptance of religion. The acceptance of religion is often forced and not from the heart.

But if many countries in Western and Northern Europe have such low rates of depression, and also very low levels of religiosity, doesn't this damage your theory?

I mean, I think it's safe to say that Iran, Algeria and Sudan have a more religious populace than Norway, China or Japan, by any measure. But they have such higher rates of depression.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

But if many countries in Western and Northern Europe have such low rates of depression, and also very low levels of religiosity, doesn't this damage your theory?

I mean, I think it's safe to say that Iran, Algeria and Sudan have a more religious populace than Norway, China or Japan, by any measure. But they have such higher rates of depression.

I already explained this. The subjectivity of religious rites pressures the subjectivity of common sense, instead of complementing it, the one subjectivity encroaches on the other subjectivity. While with irrelligion, subjectivity is systematically destroyed.

So in religious countries presently, people are feeling the destruction of their religious subjectivity through modernization, and take away from common sense to protect their religious sensibilities. In the irreligious countries emotional depth is low and slowly depleting, by atheism systematically ruling out all subjectivity.

Really, this issue is too complex, it is useless to analyze the positions of cars in a car wreck, it is better to focus on the solution of simply accepting a robust subjectivity, and deal with the problems that are seen on the way, and evolution theory is the obvious problem.

 

[Kirran]

I already explained this. The subjectivity of religious rites pressures the subjectivity of common sense, instead of complementing it, the one subjectivity encroaches on the other subjectivity. While with irrelligion, subjectivity is systematically destroyed.

So in religious countries presently, people are feeling the destruction of their religious subjectivity through modernization, and take away from common sense to protect their religious sensibilities. In the irreligious countries emotional depth is low and slowly depleting, by atheism systematically ruling out all subjectivity.

Really, this issue is too complex, it is useless to analyze the positions of cars in a car wreck, it is better to focus on the solution of simply accepting a robust subjectivity, and deal with the problems that are seen on the way, and evolution theory is the obvious problem.

There are evolutionists who are, and aren't, atheists. There are atheists who are, and aren't, determinists. There are determinists who are, and aren't, evolutionists. I am a compatibilist (a type of physical determinist) but I am not an atheist.

And on top of all that, I don't think that any of these three separate things cause depression. I've learnt about evolutionary theory for years, and I'm not depressed. I was an atheist for many years, and I don't THINK it made me depressed, although during teenage years once is prone to be depressed now and then. I've also been a compatibilist for a while now, and am probably about the happiest I've ever been.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

There are evolutionists who are, and aren't, atheists. There are atheists who are, and aren't, determinists. There are determinists who are, and aren't, evolutionists. I am a compatibilist (a type of physical determinist) but I am not an atheist.

And on top of all that, I don't think that any of these three separate things cause depression. I've learnt about evolutionary theory for years, and I'm not depressed. I was an atheist for many years, and I don't THINK it made me depressed, although during teenage years once is prone to be depressed now and then. I've also been a compatibilist for a while now, and am probably about the happiest I've ever been.

Yes people have contradictory positions, it is too complicated to figure out, still it is not a good idea to reject subjectivity.

When you look at subjectivity, as it is in common discourse, then maybe 90 percent of subjectivity is in relation to who people are as being the owner of their decisions. The remaining 10 percent is religious relating to the spirit by which things in the universe come to be. One can destroy the 10 percent, and still have the 90 percent left, but why would one not destroy the 90 percent as well, once one has begun to destroy subjectivity?

And as we see evolution theory destroys knowledge about people making decisions, as well as destroying knowledge about decisions in the history of the universe. It is this one theory which encroaches on all our knowledge about how things are decided, and with that throws out subjectivity in respect to what it is that makes the decisions turn out the way they do as well.

 

[Revoltingest]

Breaking the train of discussion here, I recall that upon learning about evolution, I found it such a powerful & interesting explanation that it brought me joy. Go evolution!

 

[Kirran]

Yes people have contradictory positions, it is too complicated to figure out, still it is not a good idea to reject subjectivity.

When you look at subjectivity, as it is in common discourse, then maybe 90 percent of subjectivity is in relation to who people are as being the owner of their decisions. The remaining 10 percent is religious relating to the spirit by which things in the universe come to be. One can destroy the 10 percent, and still have the 90 percent left, but why would one not destroy the 90 percent as well, once one has begun to destroy subjectivity?

And as we see evolution theory destroys knowledge about people making decisions, as well as destroying knowledge about decisions in the history of the universe. It is this one theory which encroaches on all our knowledge about how things are decided, and with that throws out subjectivity in respect to what it is that makes the decisions turn out the way they do as well.

Is this your own personal deduction?

While I respect your right to have a view on all this, including your extrapolations regarding destroying subjectivity and what it means to be an atheist, I don't agree with them personally. Of course, I could be wrong, I can't know for sure. Do you also consider the possibility of your being wrong here?

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Breaking the train of discussion here, I recall that upon learning about evolution, I found it such a powerful & interesting explanation that it brought me joy. Go evolution!

That is a familiar pattern, natural selection theory makes nature look like **** red in tooth and claw, and appreciation is shifted towards appreciating the theory itself.

 

[Kirran]

That is a familiar pattern, natural selection theory makes nature look like **** red in tooth and claw, and appreciation is shifted towards appreciating the theory itself.

I don't think it does, really. No more than it does without considering natural selection. Animals still die.

 

[Revoltingest]

That is a familiar pattern, natural selection theory makes nature look like **** red in tooth and claw, and appreciation is shifted towards appreciating the theory itself.

Both the theory & the natural world are endlessly interesting & entertaining.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Is this your own personal deduction?

While I respect your right to have a view on all this, including your extrapolations regarding destroying subjectivity and what it means to be an atheist, I don't agree with them personally. Of course, I could be wrong, I can't know for sure. Do you also consider the possibility of your being wrong here?

How subjectivity works is plainly demonstrated in common discourse.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Both the theory & the natural world are endlessly interesting & entertaining.

Superficiality. Not making a connection from who you are as being the owner of your decisions, to the owner of the decisions out in nature.

 

[Kirran]

How subjectivity works is plainly demonstrated in common discourse.

So you are right, and everybody who disagrees is wrong?

You are therefore better at thinking about these things than anybody else on the planet?

Come on, man. There isn't like an objectively true answer here, there are only opinions, which are subjective.

 

[Revoltingest]

Superficiality. Not making a connection from who you are as being the owner of your decisions, to the owner of the decisions out in nature.

I don't understand this, but it doesn't sound negative, so.....woo hoo!