Evolutionist contradict themselves and debunked-Story of Creation is Biblical Fact

[Onyx]

There is an emerging industry based on selling pseudoscience to those who will accept it. The typical sham-artist peddling books and videos is ready and willing to tell people everything they want to hear.

Based on the combined evidence gathered by the world's brightest scientific minds, its virtually impossible for the Earth to be 6000 years old. But what does the Bible say?

http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/psalms/90:4/?bible_id=kjv_apocrypha

http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/2-peter/3:8/?bible_id=kjv_apocrypha

If a day to God is 1000 years, and Creation took seven days, then the Earth should be at least 7000 years old, plus a few extra thousand years to account for ancient and modern times.

(Now I know that's not REALLY what those verses mean. But it does show how easy it is to support a nonsensical viewpoint with a literal read of "God's Word" and a little basic math.)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Based on the combined evidence gathered by the world's brightest scientific minds, its virtually impossible for the Earth to be 6000 years old. But what does the Bible say?

The Bible actually says nothing about the age of the Earth or Universe. It is no where to be found.

 

[Onyx]

The Bible actually says nothing about the age of the Earth or Universe. It is no where to be found.

I never said it did. If you slow down the skim-reading, and read the entire post, then you'll understand the point I was trying to make by quoting those verses.

Edit: Sorry for jumping to conclusions here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I never said it did. If you slow down the skim-reading, and read the entire post, then you'll understand the point I was trying to make by quoting those verses.

I got the point. I was just throwing it out there that the Bible makes not one claim about the age of the Earth.

 

[Parsimony]

On point number three, just because the arguments you came across just happen to be those things doesn't mean that evolution really happened or that the universe really is that old. Point number one and two also do not prove anything.

Right. It is the existing scientific evidence that demonstrates an old universe and common descent.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

My son (3rd) is being taught the Big Bang theory

Good for him. Hopefully, at least one person in your family will not grow up to deny science. Poor guy is still confused though; convoluting evolution with cosmology.

During his course of research and his findings he is now a creationist and Christian.

Intelligence and education are not defenses against sloppy thinking.

He breaks down many claims from evolutionists have made and show how they are inconsistent , contradictory and lacking and facts to prove their theories.

Funny. Only creationists (a slowly disappearing breed, by the way) believe that the claims of evolution are "inconsistent, contradictory and lacking facts". This claim comes from apologists; and apologists only.

Ultimately, the Bible accounts are true.

Argument by declaration. Meaningless. Disproving evolution; or the beginning of the universe (as has been pointed out to you really has nothing to do with evolution) does not prove your believe true by default.

He explains how our universe is not billions of years old more like 6000 years old

This claim is sickeningly ignorant; were it not be so sickeningly ignorant, it would be funny. IN my book, it's no different than flat earthers; I think both creationists and flat earthers suffer from "fear"; that if the claims of science are true, your world has just gotten a heckuva lot bigger ... and that is frightening.

His backs up all his claims scientifically by what we know as fact.

Can't be; as the facts that we do know support the theories he's speaking against.

He also addresses the function of the moon, why its there, is for us.

O M G

There never was or ever will be life on another planet.

Baseless assertion.

So, God created everything for our benefit. and he is the Grand Master of everything. he is the ultimate scientist and He doesn't have to prove Himself.

Then why are you trying so hard?

 

[JesusFreaKMyHero1]

Good for him. Hopefully, at least one person in your family will not grow up to deny science. Poor guy is still confused though; convoluting evolution with cosmology.



Intelligence and education are not defenses against sloppy thinking.



Funny. Only creationists (a slowly disappearing breed, by the way) believe that the claims of evolution are "inconsistent, contradictory and lacking facts". This claim comes from apologists; and apologists only.



Argument by declaration. Meaningless. Disproving evolution; or the beginning of the universe (as has been pointed out to you really has nothing to do with evolution) does not prove your believe true by default.



This claim is sickeningly ignorant; were it not be so sickeningly ignorant, it would be funny. IN my book, it's no different than flat earthers; I think both creationists and flat earthers suffer from "fear"; that if the claims of science are true, your world has just gotten a heckuva lot bigger ... and that is frightening.



Can't be; as the facts that we do know support the theories he's speaking against.



O M G



Baseless assertion.



Then why are you trying so hard?

Good question...my 9 year old son started it actually and wanted me to research it. He said to me Mama, how can something like come from nothing. What do you tell a 3rd grader? Truthfully, I believe it will never be proved or disproved. I think there is no way our tiny little brains can conceive or comprehend the complexities and intrigues of the universe or our world. Man does not have the capacity. It's WAY beyond us! And now my head hurts. PS what is an apologist?

 

[JesusFreaKMyHero1]

I got the point. I was just throwing it out there that the Bible makes not one claim about the age of the Earth.

No You are right . But seriously, I truly believe that God didn't tell us cause it really doesn't matter. If it mattered He would have told us.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

My son (3rd) is being taught the Big Bang theory in which he is having issues with. So while doing some research and what I found was amazing. I encourage you to watch you tube "what you aren't being told about astronomy by Skip Pssaris. He was an engineer for the US Military Program. He entered the program as an evolutionist and atheist. During his course of research and his findings he is now a creationist and Christian. He breaks down many claims from evolutionists have made and show how they are inconsistent , contradictory and lacking and facts to prove their theories. He speaks about how the universe began and it could not have been. Ultimately, the Bible accounts are true. He explains how our universe is not billions of years old more like 6000 years old. His backs up all his claims scientifically by what we know as fact. Such how a dust particle cannot become a planet and based on speeds of revolution with certain planets show how young our universe is. He also addresses the function of the moon, why its there, is for us. So, if you think about it, it really is the only thing that makes sense. There never was or ever will be life on another planet. So, God created everything for our benefit. and he is the Grand Master of everything. he is the ultimate scientist and He doesn't have to prove Himself.

I wonder who must have taken the time out to bury "fake" fossils below the ground.

Also, I was an atheist who converted to Christianity because I thought it had all the answers. After two years, I found it to be the most incompatible religion with reality.
No offense, but if you take the word of a man who converted from atheism to Christianity n believes in creationism cuz of that change, I doubt that he actually exists or simply is going through the same phase I went through.

 

[JesusFreaKMyHero1]

Just curious, have you watched any of Skips seminars? It's a shame as well, that they are still teaching things in schools that are "theories" and making them seem like facts.

I work in a school, and what they are teaching now, especially in history, is incomplete watered down versions of the Truth. For instance, the Holocaust is just a blurp, as if they want us to believe it never happened. The Civil War is taught without the realities of the brutality. Native American history is taught without the true significance of how profound. They (the Establishment) won't tell you about Wounded Knee massacre, or all the treaties that were made and broken or how the Europeans forced them to give up their way of life or die. Everything just seems so minimized and justified, and denied.

In my opinion "they" want to dumb us down because knowledge is power. They don't want that...yeah I'm talking to you Illuminate puppet masters! We're on to you. So we will eventually become like cattle to the slaughter who can't think for themselves any longer. Then they establish their dominance and control. I'm telling you it's a well thought out plan. So they are targeting this generation of kids. We can't let our kids to be brainwashed.

Corrosion of Conformity produce a song called "The Door". My favorite verse: "you tell me what I should know, and I can tell you what you wanna heart" Society would much rather have lies that pacify us and nicey-nice attitudes, then the Truth served kindly and respectfully' I guess that what the saying "Ignorance is Bliss" means. What are your thoughts?

 

[JesusFreaKMyHero1]

I wonder who must have taken the time out to bury "fake" fossils below the ground.

Also, I was an atheist who converted to Christianity because I thought it had all the answers. After two years, I found it to be the most incompatible religion with reality.
No offense, but if you take the word of a man who converted from atheism to Christianity n believes in creationism cuz of that change, I doubt that he actually exists or simply is going through the same phase I went through.

I didn't mean the are fakes, what concerns me is scientific dating process. I just feel like science can sometimes be flawed because humans are flawed. I just don't trust some of the scientific truths that is accepted is accurate. I mean how would we really know anyways? Just my thoughts...

 

[Subhankar Zac]

I didn't mean the are fakes, what concerns me is scientific dating process. I just feel like science can sometimes be flawed because humans are flawed. I just don't trust some of the scientific truths that is accepted is accurate. I mean how would we really know anyways? Just my thoughts...

So you don't trust anything that is spoken by science and it could be flawed.
But a book makes sense to you without evidence?

I don't feel any sense coming from your logic, not even the slightest.

 

[idav]

I didn't mean the are fakes, what concerns me is scientific dating process. I just feel like science can sometimes be flawed because humans are flawed. I just don't trust some of the scientific truths that is accepted is accurate. I mean how would we really know anyways? Just my thoughts...

Humans are flawed but scientific dating process isn't going to be 100,000 years off or one million years off or it would be debunked. Many sciences have a pretty clear understanding that the earth goes back much much further than the beginning of mans writing ability.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No You are right . But seriously, I truly believe that God didn't tell us cause it really doesn't matter. If it mattered He would have told us.

But surely god would have realized we would ask the question of how old the Earth is, and with us being humans, not stopping until we have an answer. Wouldn't it have done god a world of credit to reveal this, have this in his book, and that way people could turn to it knowing it not only contained such facts, that it got them correct?

I didn't mean the are fakes, what concerns me is scientific dating process. I just feel like science can sometimes be flawed because humans are flawed. I just don't trust some of the scientific truths that is accepted is accurate. I mean how would we really know anyways? Just my thoughts...

There are just too many methods that have been developed, and they all give consistent answers. And not just with lab equipment measuring a variety of different things (from carbon, isotopes, and even the position of the magnetic field in fired pottery), but also with math (such as stalactite and stalagmite formations), and more anthropological approaches (such as determining when a style of art was used, when certain burial customs were practiced, and the period when certain tools were made).

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Good question...my 9 year old son started it actually and wanted me to research it. He said to me Mama, how can something like come from nothing. What do you tell a 3rd grader? Truthfully, I believe it will never be proved or disproved. I think there is no way our tiny little brains can conceive or comprehend the complexities and intrigues of the universe or our world. Man does not have the capacity. It's WAY beyond us! And now my head hurts. PS what is an apologist?

Science is still working on that one. IN fact, int he last 10-20 years, they've been taking a look at the question: "What was before the Big Bang?" There are videos about that subject on YouTube. May want to research Michio Kaiku. He wrote a book devoted specifically to the subject of "nothing". We don't have the answers yet; and maybe never will; but not having the answers doesn't justify poking in an answer that makes us "feel" like we know.

Oh.

The "Big Bang" is not the "Theory of evolution" by the way. Shoving the two together is a manipulation tactic created by those who view science as a threat to their religion.

Simple Definition of apologist

• : a person who defends or supports something (such as a religion, cause, or organization) that is being criticized or attacked by other people
  

 

[Shadow Wolf]

May want to research Michio Kaiku. He wrote a book devoted specifically to the subject of "nothing". We don't have the answers yet; and maybe never will; but not having the answers doesn't justify poking in an answer that makes us "feel" like we know.

Kaku definitely gets my recommendation!

Good question...my 9 year old son started it actually and wanted me to research it. He said to me Mama, how can something like come from nothing. What do you tell a 3rd grader? Truthfully, I believe it will never be proved or disproved. I think there is no way our tiny little brains can conceive or comprehend the complexities and intrigues of the universe or our world. Man does not have the capacity.

We've only seen a very tiny portion of the universe, so of course we won't have it all figured out now, or for awhile. But we most certainly can and will learn. Even when I was a kid the idea of 3D printers and instant global communication was something more of science fiction than reality. As a species, when someone says it can't be done, we have a pretty good record of proving them wrong.

 

[Valjean]

I think there is no way our tiny little brains can conceive or comprehend the complexities and intrigues of the universe or our world. Man does not have the capacity. It's WAY beyond us! And now my head hurts. PS what is an apologist?

Good point. Reality is non-intuitive and our brains weren't designed to grok relativity or quantum mechanics. That's why we have mathematics and science. If we can represent Reality numerically we need only manipulate the numbers then test the results with science. We can reach workable conclusions even if we cant fully comprehend the reality behind them.
"Apologist" --In philosophy or theology an apologist is one who advocates or agrues for a particular position.

Just curious, have you watched any of Skips seminars? It's a shame as well, that they are still teaching things in schools that are "theories" and making them seem like facts.

The Theory/Fact argument comes up in virtually every discussion of evolution. In threads over 50 posts long you'll see it clarified multiple times.
Like "apologist," "theory" has a specialized meaning in scientific discussion. It does not mean speculation or conjecture. Understood correctly, most theories are facts. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Riverwolf]

I didn't mean the are fakes, what concerns me is scientific dating process. I just feel like science can sometimes be flawed because humans are flawed. I just don't trust some of the scientific truths that is accepted is accurate. I mean how would we really know anyways? Just my thoughts...

The thing is, they have to be accurate, because if they weren't, most of our modern technology wouldn't work properly, or even exist.

 

[JesusFreaKMyHero1]

I understand. But who determine their accuracy? Other human scientists. I believe they got a lot correct, but I don't trust it all. Probably because I can't understand it. I wouldn't know either way anyways. Science was never my favorite subject either.

I agree with the technology because I was a computer technician for several years, but there always so many bugs, patches, and fixes. Then by the time they get it right, it become obsolete and on to another version. What scares me, and it is just right around the corner, is virtual reality, artificial intelligence, and drones....oh and the RFid. Not good, I think they're playing with fire.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But who determine their accuracy? Other human scientists.

Actually, it's math that determines their accuracy.