I'm under no obligation to PROVE fiction.
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Existence of God. Can debate satisfy atheist ?
- Thread starter chinu
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Tiberius
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What makes you say it's fiction? Lots of people have seen me change into an eagle. Are they all wrong? Of course not!
I do. Although I'm not quite sure if he's an atheist, or more just an anti-theist with loose beliefs in something. It gets hard to tell, since he drags the few spiritual discussions we've had quickly back to religion.
I think the link between belief and worship isn't explored enough.
So too the link between afterlife and purpose.
All too often people seem to assume correlation between these.
Hope about what?
I know it's a fiction, because I'm precognative.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
That's amazing!
Since I have absolutely no justification for asking you to prove it according to your reasoning, how about you tell me the winning numbers in the next lotto here in Australia. I'll enter it and we can split the money 50/50?
(Of course, I could point out the precognition is about seeing the future and my claims about how I turned into an eagle are about PAST events so your precognition is useless in that, but... *Shrug*)
Damned right.
I did.
I was always curious about why believers believe.
I didn't expect to find an answer on RF.
Go figure.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Then by the same logic, how can you be justified in just dismissing my claims without admitting that you are just making an assumption?
chinu
chinu
Why not ?
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Maybe because you don't expect them to support their claims...
No, that wasn't it.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
But...
You've already said that you don't expect people who make claims to support those claims.
I mean, ya gotta admit that if you want to know why people believe the claims they make, asking them to support those claims with their reasoning is a good way to go about it...
I don't recall saying that. I didn't express anything in terms of expectation.
People who make claims don't owe you or me anythiing, just as you and I making claims do not owe them.
Expectation is an entirely different matter.
I have no argument with that.
Fortunately wanting doesn't incur an obligation.
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joelr
Well-Known Member
Most myths do provide meaning, this is their purpose. Just because one can see all religious scripture are likely to be myth doesn't mean you automatically jump to a materialist philosophy. Quantum physics undermines materialism in some way. Doesn't make wildly fictitious Bronze Age stories real.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Why do you even ask this question?
Consider the many, many, MANY entities that you do NOT believe in.
Kidnapping aliens, big foot, leprechauns, Thor, Apollo, graviton fairies, santa claus, unicorns, Quetzalcoatl,...
Didn't you pretty much make the exact same "predetermination" for all of them as you like to "accuse" atheists of making concerning the god you happen to believe in?
That you will not be believing any of these entities are real unless someone comes up with sufficient evidence to justify belief?
So, do YOU still hope that somebody can "satisfy" your demands for evidence concerning any of those entities? Or is it rather so that you actually don't lose a second sleep over it and that you in fact think so little about it, that you only just now realized again that you don't believe in any of those things simply because I reminded you?
With that in mind....
Why would you think that I would "hope" someone satisfies my standards of evidence? Or why would I "hope" somebody doesn't? Why would I "hope" any which way?
Think about how much sleep you lose pondering over justifications to believe unicorns or Quetzalcoatl are real. Then you'll have a good idea how I think about the god you happen to worship. It's about the same as all the gods you do NOT believe in. Like Quetzalcoatl. You probably don't even know who that is. That's how interested you are.
lukethethird
unknown member
Personally, I'm satisfied that God doesn't appear to be relevant to anything that matters whether it exists or not. God is a total yawn.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
But if people are going to have any kind of meaningful discussion, evidence for different points of view needs to be provided. And the evidence to support a point of view should be provided by the person who claimed that point of view was accurate.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Excuse me, I will not hear a word against the graviton fairies! I'll pray to them and they'll spaghettify you! Just you wait and see!!!!!!!