Explain No-thing = Some-thing

[YoursTrue]

Nothing = something in the same way that a coin has both a back and a front. They go together. You can't have something without nothing, nor nothing without something.

Consider what objects would look like without the space that delineates them. Why, we couldn't make out the borders, and thus All That Is would be one big blob. But if there were nothing and not something, then there would be no perception, for there would be no thing to perceive.

When an object is separated into two halves, the space within is the nothing. Without that space, there are not two things. That is the relationship between something and nothing; without both, neither exists. Expand one and expand the other. Dissolve one and the other likewise ceases to be.

Yeah, I was thinking, what is nothing?

 

[YoursTrue]

The philosophy underpinning science makes sense precisely because it does not rely on supernatural assumptions.

The flip side of it being pseudoscience to say we know that God did not do it is that it is also pseudoscience to say we know that God did do it.

We cannot argue from ignorance for God.

For example in biblical times it was not known how ice was formed so the ignorants who wrote the Bible said the breath of God produced ice.

Job 37:10 (NWT) “By the breath of God, the ice is produced”

So we can make the same mistake with the origins of the earth (in the case of Jehovah’s Witnesses) and say, “we don’t know how the earth was formed therefore God must have poofed it into existence”. Or with the origins of the universe and say “we don’t know how the universe was formed therefore God must have poofed it into existence”.

In either case as science progresses God would be made to look like the concept of an ignorant primitive mind just as the Bible writers did by making their suggestion about ice being the product of God’s breath.

And why is it not possible that ice is produced by the breath of God? Because science and you say it's not possible? How do you know that magnetism is not produced by God? Breath - power; breath - living ability; breath - enabling. Maybe you think light is not produced by God, and something comes from nothing?

 

[halbhh]

Stephen Hawking, a theoretical physicist, said: "Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing."

Because there is something, that is, the law of gravity, then the universe can and will come from nothing. Now firstly Hawking asserts the existence of something, and because of that existence this is proof that the universe can and will create itself out of nothing.

This was one of the world's leading scientists.

The word science comes from Latin "scientia," which means knowledge. The words knowledge and science are synonyms. Knowledge is facts, truths, realities that is acquired by observation and personal experience.

The statement quoted above is known as a paradox. A synonym of paradox is contradiction, or nonsense.

When a statement such as "something pretty mysterious had to give rise to the origin of the universe" and that that "something" is "literally nothing" we are equating something with nothing.

Now if we say that x creates y we presuppose that x already exists. If we say x creates x we have created a paradox, or a contradiction, or nonsense. The so-called "pull yourself up by your bootstraps." That is where a man is going to pull himself up by pulling on his own bootstraps.

So to those that adhere to the teachings of scientists such as Hawking. How is it that No-thing = Some-thing?

Yes, it's a good point, which I've tried to get across at times also.

Any kind of physics causing this Universe to happen is of course itself a something.

The same applies in every cosmological theory, including for example the multiverse theories, eternal inflation, etc. -- an existing physics causing this Universe to arise -- a physics which exists. So that a something exists (was somehow made to exist or come into existence) to cause this Universe, instead of nothing existing to cause this Universe.... heh heh

 

[Chris Terai]

Nothing is the space that delineates All That Is. Without nothing, there is no something. We need nothing; it is as essential as something ever shall be.

 

[Bear Wild]

And why is it not possible that ice is produced by the breath of God? Because science and you say it's not possible? How do you know that magnetism is not produced by God? Breath - power; breath - living ability; breath - enabling. Maybe you think light is not produced by God, and something comes from nothing?

The problem with that statement is that god was created from Ice and Fire. So it is known.