Fair Warning Dems

[Brickjectivity]

I have attempted to get you guys to watch the movie 'Brexit' in which Mr. Cumberbatch plays the part of the fellow who revolutionizes vote-getting. Basically the Brexit vote reveals that campaigning has been remade by technology.

I've been watching, and I think that I see a similar vote system in place trying to deduce my political positions. I haven't answered any surveys, but systems seem (just like in that movie) to have been trying to find out where I stand on issues, mainly be looking to see if I'll click on comments about this or that issue. They take a variety of forms on fb, youtube, other, sometime asking for my support or offering critical information about the wrongs of a candidate, but these are not merely informative. They are two directional. They are fishing to see whom I support and why, what I am like, my income level, my interests.

Campaigners couldn't do this ten years ago, yet they already could rely upon statistics based on phone calls. This is much more accurate --- and dangerous. They're dangerous because they introduce a new possibility -- backroom deals. When you know who is going to vote how, you take away the power of the voters.

I never do click on these ads preferring to stay unknown. Political campaigners ought not to know where we stand. They should able to predict how many votes they will get or whom to ply with scary adverts.

Nevertheless you ought to know that this is happening. If you don't, then its time to find out. Its time to employ the same methods or outlaw them.

 

[`mud]

If Trump's lips are moving....he's lying !

 

[Brickjectivity]

If Trump's lips are moving....he's lying !

Sadly its not just him is it? He could never have gotten elected if expectations weren't already near to zero.

 

[`mud]

The man can't hardly finish a sentence, and on to another thought !
And his `thoughts` aren't worth a sheeat !

 

[`mud]

One cannot count the corruptness his family and him cause !

His lying is the worst of it !

Oh...there's a man at my door, with something shiny in his hand.....

 

[sun rise]

Sadly its not just him is it? He could never have gotten elected if expectations weren't already near to zero.

Four years ago after he won, for a short time I thought "maybe he won't be as bad as I think he'll be" - in other words, I gave him a bit of benefit of the doubt. To say he was worse than I ever imagined in my wildest nightmare is just the start.

But it was not expectations being near zero. He got elected by the Electoral College, not the people. Republicans of course voted for him. Independents voted for him because they thought he was a successful businessman and what we needed was common business sense. And some liked him because they like drunken bar fighter types who insult everyone around and love to throw punches. And too many stayed home for various reasons.

Well, now we know what he's truly like and what he's being doing to the country by putting his impulses ahead of the law and much more.

We don't need to, in Star Wars terms, embrace the "dark side" to win.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Think of the people who enabled the office of the president to do things like that in the first place.

As some had mentioned, Trump isn't the cause, hes a symptom.

 

[Cooky]

If Trump's lips are moving....he's lying !

It's when his tongue moves and his lips are still that you have to worry...

 

[Brickjectivity]

Four years ago after he won, for a short time I thought "maybe he won't be as bad as I think he'll be" - in other words, I gave him a bit of benefit of the doubt. To say he was worse than I ever imagined in my wildest nightmare is just the start.

But it was not expectations being near zero. He got elected by the Electoral College, not the people. Republicans of course voted for him. Independents voted for him because they thought he was a successful businessman and what we needed was common business sense. And some liked him because they like drunken bar fighter types who insult everyone around and love to throw punches. And too many stayed home for various reasons.

Well, now we know what he's truly like and what he's being doing to the country by putting his impulses ahead of the law and much more.

We don't need to, in Star Wars terms, embrace the "dark side" to win.

I hear you. I wonder if your sentiments are grounded in statistical knowledge of the independents. If the DNC plan is to ride Trump's failures to victory by doing nothing differently this time round then I feel they have handed the situation to the reps who will get to choose the battleground.

 

[Yerda]

I have attempted to get you guys to watch the movie 'Brexit' in which Mr. Cumberbatch plays the part of the fellow who revolutionizes vote-getting. Basically the Brexit vote reveals that campaigning has been remade by technology.

I've been watching, and I think that I see a similar vote system in place trying to deduce my political positions. I haven't answered any surveys, but systems seem (just like in that movie) to have been trying to find out where I stand on issues, mainly be looking to see if I'll click on comments about this or that issue. They take a variety of forms on fb, youtube, other, sometime asking for my support or offering critical information about the wrongs of a candidate, but these are not merely informative. They are two directional. They are fishing to see whom I support and why, what I am like, my income level, my interests.

Campaigners couldn't do this ten years ago, yet they already could rely upon statistics based on phone calls. This is much more accurate --- and dangerous. They're dangerous because they introduce a new possibility -- backroom deals. When you know who is going to vote how, you take away the power of the voters.

I never do click on these ads preferring to stay unknown. Political campaigners ought not to know where we stand. They should able to predict how many votes they will get or whom to ply with scary adverts.

Nevertheless you ought to know that this is happening. If you don't, then its time to find out. Its time to employ the same methods or outlaw them.

From the kind of things you click on and the kind of things you like and share online it can be deduced pretty accurately whether you'll like or click on something else. From that they (the dreaded they) can build a scarily accurate picture of your personality and what you are likely to find compelling and convincing. Then they can target you (and everybody on your friends list) with ads that appeal to particular aspects of your personality. This is why data analytics are so powerful and why facebook, twitter, youtube etc are terrifying.

 

[Stevicus]

I have attempted to get you guys to watch the movie 'Brexit' in which Mr. Cumberbatch plays the part of the fellow who revolutionizes vote-getting. Basically the Brexit vote reveals that campaigning has been remade by technology.

I've been watching, and I think that I see a similar vote system in place trying to deduce my political positions. I haven't answered any surveys, but systems seem (just like in that movie) to have been trying to find out where I stand on issues, mainly be looking to see if I'll click on comments about this or that issue. They take a variety of forms on fb, youtube, other, sometime asking for my support or offering critical information about the wrongs of a candidate, but these are not merely informative. They are two directional. They are fishing to see whom I support and why, what I am like, my income level, my interests.

Campaigners couldn't do this ten years ago, yet they already could rely upon statistics based on phone calls. This is much more accurate --- and dangerous. They're dangerous because they introduce a new possibility -- backroom deals. When you know who is going to vote how, you take away the power of the voters.

I never do click on these ads preferring to stay unknown. Political campaigners ought not to know where we stand. They should able to predict how many votes they will get or whom to ply with scary adverts.

Nevertheless you ought to know that this is happening. If you don't, then its time to find out. Its time to employ the same methods or outlaw them.

Well, backroom deals have always been a part of US politics from the very beginning. The voters have very little power to begin with, mainly because they're only dealing with the end product, which invariably ends up being a choice between the lesser of two evils.

Nevertheless, the voters really do hold a great deal of power as a collective group. The only real problem is that a lot of voters just aren't very bright and are ill-informed. It's kind of baffling in a way, considering how much more easily people can get information over the internet from a wide variety of sources. Instead of availing themselves of that, they keep going back to the same old echo chambers.

But considering your point about the use of technology, one thing that often comes up is how the political elite seem out of touch with that of the voters. Even if they can gain information and compile data about what people are thinking, what they feel, what they fear, what they love, etc. - when all of that is spun around and is used in political campaigning, it still seems a bit forced and machine-like. It comes off as rehearsed, plastic, and fake. They say the things they believe the public wants to hear, but then, it can sometimes be so hollow and indifferent. Politicians are merely actors playing a role, and if they have machines writing their scripts, then it might show.

But in the end, I guess it's the same old game. Look at who's running this time around. This has got to be the worst election in U.S. history. But maybe the voters might wise up someday.

 

[sun rise]

I hear you. I wonder if your sentiments are grounded in statistical knowledge of the independents. If the DNC plan is to ride Trump's failures to victory by doing nothing differently this time round then I feel they have handed the situation to the reps who will get to choose the battleground.

If you had watched the DNC especially the Obamas, Kamela Harris and Joe Biden you would not think that.

 

[Mindmaster]

If you had watched the DNC especially the Obamas, Kamela Harris and Joe Biden you would not think that.

I simply don't own enough violins to adequately enhance this thread, but I have 3.

 

[ChristineM]

Basically the Brexit vote reveals that campaigning has been remade by technology.

However relevent this is... All major predictions for the brexit vote indicated a large remain majority. So much so (with much voter apathy built in) the actual result was the opposite by a very small margin.

Technology and polls proved wrong again

 

[Brickjectivity]

However relevent this is... All major predictions for the brexit vote indicated a large remain majority. So much so (with much voter apathy built in) the actual result was the opposite by a very small margin.

Technology and polls proved wrong again

Yes true, however that is the point. Those major predictions were using old tech. The Brexit campaign pulled a rabbit out of a hat.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes true, however that is the point. Those major predictions were using old tech. The Brexit campaign pulled a rabbit out of a hat.

Something of a surprising rabbit at that

 

[Brickjectivity]

Something of a surprising rabbit at that

As you know I was on the side of Brexit, because I watched Nigel Farage on youtube. Tech used though was like taking statistics too far. Like you could buy and sell blocks of voters -- almost or maybe.

 

[ChristineM]

As you know I was on the side of Brexit, because I watched Nigel Farage on youtube. Tech used though was like taking statistics too far. Like you could buy and sell blocks of voters -- almost or maybe.

I always said that Farage on his is own was an excellent reason to remain, who ever listens to me ;-(

 

[tytlyf]

As you know I was on the side of Brexit, because I watched Nigel Farage on youtube.

Nigel Farage isn't anyone you should be respecting the opinion of.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Nigel Farage isn't anyone you should be respecting the opinion of.

I should respect your opinion. For me British politics is a spectacle. I don't get a vote. What I see is a struggle between the city and the country, and just like here in USA the cities try to drag the country people along into new territory sooner than what they are comfortable with. It can be some valiant effort to make positive changes, but forcing people to adopt new ways is not a unified way to do things. People don't like to be bullied, and they don't like being told what to think and that their thoughts don't matter. The 'Remain'ers actually were trying to push people into the EU who didn't understand its value, didn't feel comfortable. Given the decision they said they didn't wish to lose their nationality, and I respected that. The leave vote was a message that the city people were moving too fast.