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Faith is Dangerous

Audie

Veteran Member
We all use both at various times.

Sometimes we have the choice which one to use, other times we don't. Sometimes it matters which one we use, other times it doesn't.
Thats not what i am talking about.
There is no data for "god".
Faith in same is about emotion.

"Faith" that electricity will act as
expected is not. That is objective.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
O earth a planet not electricity.
Heavens surround us not electricity.

All bodies naturally observed by human egotists named by title the scientists.

As title says a human denoted you are a better human than anyone else.

Yet words using the meaning a title is all things as human stated is entitled. To exist be seen and be natural.

What coercive subjective human lying is. By claim my group enforced the title entitled so everything else has no chance against you. Science community human.

Yet entitlement is said by word ownership any title. Hence as a human your title is meaningless in word use.

No machine is first status.... then no need for a thesis about a resource for a machines life. To function. O planet God not a machine planet God not electricity.

Thesis electricity directly owned by humans invention only as the human theme the machine body. Position first only by inventor isn't any real first.

Never was it about biology or life nature garden animals human.

Yet humans were given permission to thesis it direct about why biology existed. As a thesis.

So logical humans knowing human behaviour said if you compare electricity to biology in the heavens status the human would be fried to death.

Knowing by human experience invention using electricity killed human life.

I'm only thinking experiment direct to one human he says as the origin scientist man as the mathematician man...woman our mother.

Why I got attacked. As a woman human.

So I said you know all human babies depended on the same human the mother?

Stephen Hawking warning he's trying to burn you all to death biology...real.

Thesis science direct to machine not biology.

Real theism can I channel electricity through the heavens to my machine one position. His want. As want preceded truth.

Surely most of nature won't be affected. Is what he wants to believe not what's fact.

Reason...I theory maths only first and not life having changed his thought subject.

Maths he says states its present. Right now as I calculate it.

Yet he has to calculate maths. So it's not present.

So subject changes he says no I believe electricity is grounded runs through the ground direct to machine body. Yet ground mass isn't any machine.

As in the beginning no machine existed is his thesis.

As clouds produce lightning father's spiritual memories all spiritual chosen man thinkers asked him how do you intend to minimalise clouds nature?

From lightning.

Inside my machines reaction was his man's son answer.

So why thesis our heavens life supporting biology only? He was asked.

As he says electricity is like a telecommunications as a channel.

So if you take any thesis invention a human ever brought into presence he's discussing the telecommunications wires of old to electricity cables.

As science maths is his man's human chosen pursuit only.

As he modernised the telecommunications systems he's theorising old electricitys invention.

Topic is only electricity. As all thesis is just by his own man of science.

Is how dangerous a human inventor is.
 
Thats not what i am talking about.
There is no data for "god".
Faith in same is about emotion.

"Faith" that electricity will act as
expected is not. That is objective.

And my point is no matter how much we claim we are objective and rational, we all frequently believe things without evidence.

Believing stuff without evidence based on emotion is an inescapable aspect of human cognition. It has utility as well as potentially causing harm.

Blanket statements like "faith (believing stuff without evidence) is dangerous" fundamentally misrepresent the nature of human cognition.

It may be harmful. It most often has no significant impact either way. It may be beneficial.

It depends on the belief and the circumstances.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
And my point is no matter how much we claim we are objective and rational, we all frequently believe things without evidence.

Believing stuff without evidence based on emotion is an inescapable aspect of human cognition. It has utility as well as potentially causing harm.

Blanket statements like "faith (believing stuff without evidence) is dangerous" fundamentally misrepresent the nature of human cognition.

It may be harmful. It most often has no significant impact either way. It may be beneficial.

It depends on the belief and the circumstances.
No need tho to make said points with me.

Seems we were talking about different things
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
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Faith that God or the universe has some benevolent plan for you.

Thousands are killed daily, go hungry are homeless. There are no guarantees in the universe. No reason to believe the the universe is going to take your best interest into consideration. No reason to believe your future is bright.

My son believes the universe/God has a special plan for him. That he just needs to wait for the universe/God to reveal it.

Who has been watching out for him are his mom and dad. Parents who sacrifice so he has a place to live and food to eat. Not everyone has parents who are able or wiling.

Is it not folly to assume that someone or something exists that will watch out for your best interests? Or that tomorrow you will have a place to sleep. Food to eat. A family to rely on?

I think about the thousands on families in Ukraine who have lost their homes, parents who have lost their children, children who have lost their parents. Who are now homeless.

Faith is a luxury no one can afford.
What a silly assertion.
It seems to be working for your son, BTW. Faith that God will come through doesn't mean you will never experience pain or need. It means ultimately any circumstance isn't the end of the story for you. In my father's house are many mansions... what happens here is just a blink of the eye.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
When human's physically by thought manipulate earths matter by their human mind choice. Instantly the position correct mind status conscious human is changed.

As you personally own a body that force changes earths mass as the human. By using the physical body human.

Your mind body human consciousness is meant to live human life safely only.

So by that choice human men began to displace natural human thinking. As you chose it.

By conscious human thought took earth mass designed your machine. A humans scientists idol.

Which ends at the position I designed the machine type.

Then owning physical human life and mind choices you manipulated the action movement machine to attack destroy convert earths mass.

You lost natural humans consciousness by the choice new human applied only earth conversion of mass.

Is what possessed your thoughts that are displacing the reality of natural consciousness as human origins elsewhere.

All about a machine only.

So thinking constantly as human biology you use the machine to attack change biology. As medically you gave studied all living genetic bodies data inference direct from your mind status human scientist. The machines controller.

And it's only your human choice applying the attacks that you associate as a man of science to cause the opening of space in gods O planet form.

Earth mass as a sin of the man in science hole.

To congratulate your evil lying self that this circumstance had in fact attacked life a long time ago. I proved it had. Said human scientists.

As origin science use of mass and gas heavens is gone. Earths origins and every day earths origin is human nuclear removed first.

You can't get something back that was changed into nothing already by the human scientist.

Biology thinks against biology as biology is doing it to biology by machine use that came out of earths mass first. Proving earths mass hadn't created any humans bio being.

No he said it created a human image hologram as human maths is exact he says. I only want that exact portion taken out of mass and then put into my machine. Instead of on ground and instead of in clouds.

Now I must transfer that exact status into a machines reaction and it will about equals electricity.

Yet it's all done in the presence natural life supported by the planet mass and heavens mass. Not any machine.

But you know you personally as the science of a scientist did it direct to life!!! Not direct to machine...but because of the machine. Is the human scientist today...claiming I invented converted bio life into electricity.

Yet it's not. A ground hologram is a ground hologram. It isn't any other advice.

I will now communicate electricity by my machine to my machine. As human science maths designed the machine first.

Yet bio is not in the stone mass where his machine idol came from. As biology is in water life...he used waters life to cool then gain a machine.

Life he said built my machine is said first. In his scientists mind thought. As biology little living microbes live in the water he used to cool alchemic converting.

Is his first man of science scientific advice first. Ignored as his thesis little biology water electricity.

So he says I told myself direct electricity runs in the stone. By water biology theme....still fake advice.....AI...that advice isn't his needed conscious living answer.

So I challenged the scientist myself.

You said the machine being formed already owned subjective to its body electricity in its mass. You expected your machine to directly release it into its reaction out of its own body mass.

Pre warned but science is fake advice so AI could not tell you how wrong you are.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
What a silly assertion.
It seems to be working for your son, BTW. Faith that God will come through doesn't mean you will never experience pain or need. It means ultimately any circumstance isn't the end of the story for you. In my father's house are many mansions... what happens here is just a blink of the eye.
Father showed me on earths ground mass is the many mansions etched in stone of man's original built owned science buildings. Returned to become gods. From the ground mass they were taken from.

That fell out of sky images like china gained mirrored city above. As first is a gained cause in new experiments by humans choice....that burnt the gas mass out of earths God position one in human science. Mass.

If you look all around the earth buildings many houses mansions and man's statues seem etched into earths Rock face as evidence human science did it as past causes.

Why old buildings in past human technology gained lots of round pock marks in them as they physically collapsed. Because men of science were changing earths strength metal sun radiations in fusion.

Where buildings came from first as earths mass.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Father who is spiritual man humans son as adult believes in...human holiness. Spiritual human advice against chosen occult science. Human.

Said.

O earths total community has for a long time been holographic caused ground attacked. Sometimes extra caused by modern held nuclear fission ground attacks held longer.

Humans hence see a caused higher intensified hologram emerge. Are attacked as it emerges then goes away cooled. A lot of humans ignore the advice unless the victim proves biological body change.

The fact is if only one human which we all are as a one self human not one in science... is harmed then it's dangerous. Known human advice.

Stephen Hawking advised said a world's community was already caused communicated attacked communicated as damaged... biological to.

Life's DNA losses. Physical biology. Expectation 2012 vacuum end. Removal of old sciences nuclear caused transmitters. Human healing.

And water oxygen microbe life given back to biologies ownership. No holograms as they never existed first. Mass did. So did healthy origin biology parents life.

Why science wants you to believe a human was an ape first to remove healthy biology back to that position for held ground new machine technologies.

So if men get told you theme electricity like a telecommunications theme you were consciously advised you would connect everyone's natural causing holographic image in nature to a world super fry.

Not natural first became natural second as a cause. Not in any theme human technology.

Why AI said a humans question by data words spoken....can I use this technology advice as a new weapon.

Lucky the space vacuum owns why rock and immaculate gas exists. Opened into a larger space voiding and saved life.

But I was given the experimental warning.

No scientist as the human has ever not been given old pre existing reactive advice. Natural status first position. As science was never just theories by human maths. Is a human lie.

You knew it pre existed already had studied it in natural for years. You said it was side para and normal as men in science had caused it a long time ago life's attack. You knew it wasn't a new inventive thesis.

Invention thesis he says is new to own new. Instead the idea new was to hold it precise at ground to communicate it everywhere as it already existed on the ground attack.

As you can't data relate what you actually attacked is a many position scientist lying. It's not your invention.

Your machines use upper heavens cooled communicators not the ground.

The holographic ground mass effect was sciences old machine signals destroyed. Destroyed by star rock heavens mass burning of sun cold rock returned.

Cold of rocks interact differently heavenly to pre burning rocks.

Machines transmitting first was not dangerous to bio life. It was when you used the machines to convert new earth mass that changed all communications.

Water is a mass and hence water is the body that keeps all states cooled and it's ever present.

Not cooled water as ice melting is why bio life begins to die attacked. When communicators no longer are cooled.

Using two types of machines is a known life danger. The type of technology defines the danger.

Water mass normally keeps the machine communication away from biology...as the mass we use to live in as biology water is minimal.

When earths water can't remain cooled due to nuclear technology and chosen man's science new machine communication forced pulsed studies. We get attacked.

About human holographic thesis to be held forced as a new fixed ground constant. When it's only slight at the moment a cause and instantly disappears at the moment.

When no longer cooled by loss of ice...

We will all die.

Science knew nuclear mass converting was only machine controlled by human force implementing cooling.

In nature the reaction kills biology as water cannot cool it. It's not cold enough.

Men of science were warned when earths mass past stopped reacting in attack converting it had. No life existed.

Theists human said it was when life began. Life began in a cooled balanced atmosphere. No reactions thesis even existed.

Balanced meant the actual state.

Theists discuss the balanced state as reactive is termed direct lying.

Was humans warning scientists coerce by words and maths.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
What a silly assertion.
It seems to be working for your son, BTW. Faith that God will come through doesn't mean you will never experience pain or need. It means ultimately any circumstance isn't the end of the story for you. In my father's house are many mansions... what happens here is just a blink of the eye.

Which is the point/problem. It works out well for some, not for others. And, just because its worked in the past is no guarantee it'll continue to work out for the individual.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Isn't that true of basically anything?

Engineering/science/quality, these things rely on consistency, validation and improvement.

If you are going to rely on chance/feelings, there no way to know if your actions lead to verified improvement.
 
Engineering/science/quality, these things rely on consistency, validation and improvement.

If you are going to rely on chance/feelings, there no way to know if your actions lead to verified improvement.

A lot of modern engineering or applied science hasn't led to verified improvement. look at houses or processed food for example.

In addition you can't derive a meaningful worldview from these, you rely on intuition, cultural conditioning, emotion, etc.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
A lot of modern engineering or applied science hasn't led to verified improvement. look at houses or processed food for example.

In addition you can't derive a meaningful worldview from these, you rely on intuition, cultural conditioning, emotion, etc.
Meaningful worldview...
Never occurred to me to string those
two words together
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Which is the point/problem. It works out well for some, not for others. And, just because its worked in the past is no guarantee it'll continue to work out for the individual.
You don't understand faith. You mistake it for delusion. People who believe in God are overall more happy. Why would you want to take that away from them?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If I hold a faith my father was never the scientist then his advice would assist humanity.

Who said a theist as just the bio human knows space holds mass. O planet earth in space as mass has had a huge amount of its body removed. As origin mass in a space holding.

As O Rock. And it's gas heavens mass. Both rock plus it's gas science says a star planet term.

He did studies and calculus of coloured gases with dusts in stars.

He says I believe I can thesis how a planet forms from the study of star mass. How an asteroid planet forms.

Earths dust on the planet God earth with earths sky blue gas with white clouds cooling. Nothing at all like the star.

First review theist incorrect human advice.

So when you assess conscious natural life knowing the destroyer is the human adult science brother. We know. He is predictable as maths calculator and man behaviour.

My mother says innocence is hers her babies and children.

You adult man lie. Always had.

Your abuse of her human adult life began by sciences conjured by man para normal at your side...para maths holographic destruction earth mass by men adults. With machine technology.

As human biology laboratory bed ...lived after nature garden. Is what I typed in lived not laboratory bed...why did the words change?

Father's memory says I came out first as manifested life direct from the eternal body. Words used by humans that states it is totally unknown and is not human scientific.

Your mother I saw arrive out of it too. I knew where we came from. I was the witnessed spiritual life teacher...father. Pre owned the eternal bodies.

That vibrated inside earths heavens and took on gods heaven highest form of oxygenated water. As human biology a spiritual being.

Notice the dust position doesn't own correct advice ever....as earths present garden nature's body presence and its life oxygenation in human thesis looking back.

About living human life.

So brothers memory was changed and attacked by para...at his side abstractly discussed father mother's natural history. And his advice to a changed chemical brain was about changed human memory.

As humans maths para normal did not invent our human natural presence as human mother. Living only a human after the nature garden.

Is our spiritual truth.

When you die you still own one spirit in the eternal. Death is bio life conceived by human sex. You die because of light. You see the light as you die. The immaculate body is where they first entered.

Why light eventually causes bio death.

We see our parents memories as we die which is an atmospheric only experience. Recorded memories only of a lived life portion we no longer own.

The eternal was never in created creation. Is not any scientific dispute either as it's not science.

And if you believe father then know science doesn't own an argument against us.

Why we die and live as biological human inside the same atmosphere status. As we are physical only.

Father hence said it's why scientists know planetary sun star asteroids come back to earth by human scientific thesis of human science only causes.... as the inherited replaced resource.

Planet earths returned origin mass gas origins in space. Man said I know how much mass should be present.....That the sun first removed then scientists copied themselves and removed a Higher earth mass.

Why they gave earth mass a zero a sin x K hole. Man's scientific sin.

They knew by human thesis stars return the mass back to position mass in space is removed from.

And of course we all die.

As that is exactly what our arrogant ignorant scientific brother causes the wandering stars then earth hit direct.

Why alchemic science nuclear terms were outlawed as science of man already knew the advice.

To have a non stop star resource replacement to planet earth by a scientific origins calculus. Is their new theses knowing they knew themselves.

I have faith my father speaks the truth liar scientists.

I never had faith that father was God.

I knew that he was a heavenly advisor message by human mans directly owned causes chosen man's scientific machine causes. The history. His story.

Our losses in life as a cause and effect was the para normal. Holographic messages left.

I learnt how the eternal spirit uses that loss to our advantage by giving us messages to pass onto humanity. As an opportunity to be pre warned to make correct life choices.

I understood how why a human babies life who died image by several witnesses in life changed into a received adult image as the adult baby hiuman had invented scientific machine caused life losses.

Sacrifice of life causing the holographic message himself. As it's historic caused once only. What a cause is as a one of.

Was a human proof my story is real.

The immaculate history came out of volcanic earth hell.

Is not the eternal is named the immaculate.

As a human conceived by two human adults they were never my baby life. So give it up satanic scientists your machines are only controlled by your minds didn't invent biological human life as a God.

No experiments say no machine used...just equal natural history man's.

You however use machines as you want God. As a resource. So not only do you confess you claim a human built machine is God gaining Gods created form ....you also want God burnt up as the resource.

Is why scientists title was a satanist.

Why human scientists are not the correct hu man ....natural informed humans are.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
You don't understand faith. You mistake it for delusion. People who believe in God are overall more happy. Why would you want to take that away from them?

Correct, I don't understand the attachment to faith.
I don't mistake it for delusion, I see it as gambling.
I don't want to take anything away from anyone but if their happiness is dependent on their faith then their happiness is protected by a thin shield.
Many other more robust ways to support happiness.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
A lot of modern engineering or applied science hasn't led to verified improvement. look at houses or processed food for example.

Right, which can be measured if documented properly. So we can learn what is detrimental/not successful.

In addition you can't derive a meaningful worldview from these, you rely on intuition, cultural conditioning, emotion, etc.

Worldviews are un reliable/false and misleading.
We create worldviews because we have nothing better.
IDK for you but my "worldview" has been shattered several times.
Easier for me to accept the world as it presents itself to me rather than try to fit it into my concept of what it should be.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Correct, I don't understand the attachment to faith.
I don't mistake it for delusion, I see it as gambling.
I don't want to take anything away from anyone but if their happiness is dependent on their faith then their happiness is protected by a thin shield.
Many other more robust ways to support happiness.
With all due respect, I could say all the same things about non-belief, especially the part about gambling.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
Nakosis said:
Which is the point/problem. It works out well for some, not for others. And, just because its worked in the past is no guarantee it'll continue to work out for the individual.
Isn't that true of basically anything?

Would you say this accurately described mathematics, logic or most of the methods of science?
 
Right, which can be measured if documented properly. So we can learn what is detrimental/not successful.

We can measure most things through experience.

Religions, myths, traditions often are, at least in part, distillations of learning from experience repackaged in story form.

Worldviews are un reliable/false and misleading.
We create worldviews because we have nothing better.
IDK for you but my "worldview" has been shattered several times.
Easier for me to accept the world as it presents itself to me rather than try to fit it into my concept of what it should be.

Worldviews are an essential part of cognition, we literally can't avoid fitting our experience of reality into categories and narratives that shape how we see things.

Some worldviews may do this less radically than others, but we are all significantly impacted by them.
 
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