Agnostic75
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Consider the following from another thread:
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Thief said:
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"Faith requires no proof."
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Andal
resident hypnotist
My faith needed proof that was acceptable to me so I would assume that at least some other people require proof for themselves. Faith without some sort of personal proof (however one may define it) seems incredibly shaky to me.
It's kind of funny too. People who say their faith doesn't need proof are usually the same people who demand people with differing faiths give proof that their faith is justified.
Can there be faith without proof, of course. Does faith exclude proof, of course not.
Aum Hari Aum!
It's kind of funny too. People who say their faith doesn't need proof are usually the same people who demand people with differing faiths give proof that their faith is justified.
Can there be faith without proof, of course. Does faith exclude proof, of course not.
Aum Hari Aum!
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
Of course faith requires no proof.
And faith is not proof either.
And faith is not proof either.
Zadok
Zadok
One does not require knowledge (a doctorate in electrical engineering) to be able to have faith that when they turn on a switch that a light will come on. However, as one learns more and expands their experience real and true faith is more greatly appreciated.
Zadok
tarasan
Well-Known Member
hmmmm this is an interesting one, I guess ultiamtely to have religion I need no, proof, however if I were going to show and convince other people to take it seriously I would need, i think a good amount of evidence.
such a statement sounds like it came from a guy overloaded from the debate he was having.
such a statement sounds like it came from a guy overloaded from the debate he was having.
Engyo
Prince of Dorkness!
True, but it is also helpful to know that when a lightning strike has taken out the transformer for your neighborhood and your power is out, faith in flipping the switch must be supplemented with prayers to your electrical provider to replace the transformer so that power may flow properly again.
Eliot Wild
Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
I like this answer herein above.
And I also believe that while faith requires no proof, I believe it to be misapplied if the object of one's faith, or if that faith itself, is irrational.
For example, I haven't yet found any conclusive evidence either proving or disproving the existence of God. So, if someone has FAITH that a God-Creator exists, I see no problem with that. However, when someone tells me they have FAITH that the Bible is the infallible word of God, I believe that to be irrational.
FlyingTeaPot
Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Faith, by definition is irrational. Why would it require proof?
tarasan
Well-Known Member
we all make faith cliams mate
Zadok
Zadok
Eliot Wild
Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
Yes, I agree with this as well.
I don't find all faith to be irrational. I personally have faith that is based on reason and rational expectations. For example, I have faith in my girlfriend. I have faith in my family. Now, it is possible my faith is misguided, but I don't think so.
I don't see the difference between your two examples. I mean, we technically don't know that the Bible isn't the infallible word of God either, now do we?
Zadok
Zadok
This is the silliest thing I have ever encoutered concerning faith. In truth, faith is the opposit - it is the most rational of all possible considerations.
Zadok
I can see how you could argue that faith isn't necessarily irrational, but I don't see how you could argue that it is the most rational choice ever.This is the silliest thing I have ever encoutered concerning faith. In truth, faith is the opposit - it is the most rational of all possible considerations.
Zadok
FlyingTeaPot
Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
Yes we do. People often take offense to my statement. Irrational==Without evidence or reason. That does not necessarily make it a bad thing. Faith can often be good.
tarasan
Well-Known Member
I guess you could say that it is something that we base our life on.
we have faith the Earth will be here tommorow
we have faith we will have a Job
we have Faith in our relationships, friendships etc.
to be honest if you think about we have USE much more faith in our lives than we do knowledge.
Although to be honest I thnk he should rephrase his statement to be a little more modest
Eliot Wild
Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
I don't see how a perfect being could possibly utilize a medium for communicating divine knowledge that is so fallible and imperfect. The written word--Language--is a fallible medium. Language undergoes severe changes overtime--over short periods of time, as a matter of fact. Words take on new meanings. New words are processed into languages all the time and old words disappear completely.
If a Divine Being were going to communicate his Divine Knowledge and Law to mankind, I believe it would be through a less changing and less infallible medium, like mathmatics.
It is merely my personal perspective, but I see a belief in human language as communication from God to be irrational.
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DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
If faith does not require proof, why is this forum regularly flooded with morons trying to use science to prove the Bible literally? Just go home and pray :biglaugh: