Faith

[Desert Snake]

You have faith that the buddha wasn't lying
You have faith that the buddha was correct
You have faith that your methodology is correct
You have faith that the buddha knew enough to present something properly

The entire religion is faith.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I believe there is faith and that faith leads to ‘knowing’ a new level of consciousness the Bahai Writings call ‘Certitude’ which is a form of enlightenment.

But I believe it cannot be proven because it cannot be shared according to spiritual laws.

According to karma or such laws of justice you cannot receive the reward for anothers actions. So if I have purified my heart and become detached and sincere and find truth you have no right to that truth and cannot possibly realise it until you become detached and your heart purified for these are spiritual laws based on justice. You don’t receive my pay for the work I’ve done. Only when you do the work then you get paid for it.

But if you had done the work of purifying your heart and I had too then we could share the truth as we would both know it as it is said..

“Only heart to heart can speak the bliss of mystic knowers;
No messenger can tell it and no missive bear it. (Baha’u’llah)

So people insisting on proof of God or such are ignorant of the fact that this knowledge or proof or consciousness cannot be given to those who have not earned it. The individual must do independent search and according to the sincerity and intensity of his/her search they will be rewarded.

Once a person fulfils the required conditions for a true seeker only then will faith evolve into Certitude which is ‘knowing’. Then they will receive proof but not from another’s labor.

The station of absolute Certitude is above Faith. It is a new level consciousness. One just knows.

“such new life upon the seeker that he will find himself endowed with a new eye, a new ear, a new heart, and a new mind. Gazing with the eye of God, he will perceive within every atom a door that leadeth him to the stations of absolute certitude.”

will the darkness of error be dispelled, the mists of doubts and misgivings be dissipated, and the lights of knowledge and certitude envelop his being.”

Faith is but a door that leads to Certitude so Faith is a very important part of the evolution towards absolute absolute Certitude.

 

[Desert Snake]

I the faith all of fame, Hebrews 11, faith is never held up as merely something abstract but
was evidenced by the actions of the people in the chapter

What the...?

What?

 

[dfnj]

Faith is like a rock being held in a mans fist, he claims he holds a rock, you say open your fist, he say no have faith i am holding it, and you are content with that.

A Buddhist will simply ask that the hand be opened, until then do you hold a rock, maybe.

You may but without opening the hand there is absolutly no proof, faith was a word created to justify the belief in something without a shred of evidence.

I think people choose to have faith in spite of having no evidence.

But faith in an omnipotent God is very easy. How can you be disappointed by omnipotence. Real faith is having faith in the people around you. If there is no risk, then it's not really a test.

 

[dfnj]

I have faith God will continue to keep the electrons moving around the protons. God is what makes energy move at all. The power of God compels you!

 

[Desert Snake]

I the faith all of fame, Hebrews 11, faith is never held up as merely something abstract but
was evidenced by the actions of the people in the chapter

Matthew 27:46



right..........

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Faith is like a rock being held in a mans fist, he claims he holds a rock, you say open your fist, he say no have faith i am holding it, and you are content with that.

A Buddhist will simply ask that the hand be opened, until then do you hold a rock, maybe.

You may but without opening the hand there is absolutly no proof, faith was a word created to justify the belief in something without a shred of evidence.

Let's clear something up for everyone in this forum.

Faith is not belief.

https://newcreeations.org/the-difference-between-faith-and-belief/

Let's look at similar words. Faithfulness. Faithful. Faithless.

A faithless person abandons others. A faithful person is like one who attends a club every weekend, even if members are being mean to them. Even when attendance is down. They keep doing what is required.

 

[Tiberius]

Faith is like a rock being held in a mans fist, he claims he holds a rock, you say open your fist, he say no have faith i am holding it, and you are content with that.

A Buddhist will simply ask that the hand be opened, until then do you hold a rock, maybe.

You may but without opening the hand there is absolutly no proof, faith was a word created to justify the belief in something without a shred of evidence.

Where evidence and proof are present, there's no such thing as faith.

Faith is for those who have a claim but no evidence to back it up.

 

[osgart]

Faith is a butchered word. Faith is a virtue expressed in its positive sense.

I have faith in things i know to be true.

Even the way religious people use the term does not imply that it is without evidence.

Their evidence may be poofery, but it still remains evident in their eyes. How can it not be! is what a religious attitude is.

And then there are standards of evidence people try to hold everybody to. When in fact the faithful religious see other things as being evident; such as God, and they have their reasons and their logic drawn from observations of reality.

So the twisted term is nothing but a straw man argument.

So a religious argument might be, is not the hand meant to grasp things, and the eye meant for seeing, these evidently show purpose in their makings. And if purpose exists, so to a mind and a creator behind them being so what they are. They infer from appearances a design in nature. Also they possibly might not be ID proponents in the same sense as Discovery Institute is.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's abstract because you aren't correlating, a statue that you chant to, to 'faith'. Of course that's a form of faith.

There are many who see the statue as a reprensentation of the Buddha and thereby want to show respect to Buddha and they bow to the statue ( a few worship it)
As a Cultivator of buddha dhamma i do not bow to the statue( because it is what it is a statue) Buddha is not in the statue. But i have respect to those who bow too.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You have faith that the buddha wasn't lying
You have faith that the buddha was correct
You have faith that your methodology is correct
You have faith that the buddha knew enough to present something properly

The entire religion is faith.

Untill you gain wisdom from the teachings there are some faith, but Buddhism is not faith in the same senese as Christianity has become. Buddhists read the text and say, Hmm can i find this is my daily life? then one go out seeing it for one self, ok no more faith it become true.
So faith become not needed when you do your homework (study again and again ) yes it take time before the wisdom arise, but when it does you see so clearly

 

[Aupmanyav]

You have faith that the buddha wasn't lying
You have faith that the buddha was correct
You have faith that your methodology is correct
You have faith that the buddha knew enough to present something properly

The entire religion is faith.

No.
Buddha was not always correct - for all people. For example, he said 'Don't cotemplate about the creation of the universe. It will vex your mind and madden you'. I do not agree to that. It may be true for people who do not have the requisite background. But there are thousands of very knowledgeable who are trying to find the truth and million who understnd what conclusions they have arrived at till now. The problems do not madden them, but encourage them to go further deeper.

Buddha sure knew enough about what he was talking. His audience was 500 BCE rustic India. He, perhaps could not have talked in any other way. And what he said was a hundred times better than what people said later. For example, what he said to the Kalamas. It is the original 'Occam's Razor'. He said:

"Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing (anussava), nor upon tradition (paramparā), nor upon rumor (itikirā), nor upon what is in a scripture (piṭaka-sampadāna), nor upon surmise (takka-hetu), nor upon an axiom (naya-hetu), nor upon specious reasoning (ākāra-parivitakka), nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā), nor upon another's seeming ability (bhabba-rūpatāya), nor upon the consideration, The monk is our teacher (samaṇo no garū)."
Kalama Sutta - Wikipedia

World would be a much better place if we listen to what he said.

 

[Aupmanyav]

“such new life upon the seeker that he will find himself endowed with a new eye, a new ear, a new heart, and a new mind. Gazing with the eye of God, he will perceive within every atom a door that leadeth him to the stations of absolute certitude.”

Ah! You forgot to mention that this quote also is (perhaps) from Bahullah. (Or that it is the explanation by his son, Abdul Baha or his grandson, Shoghi Effendi).

 

[loverofhumanity]

Ah! You forgot to mention that this quote also is (perhaps) from Bahullah. (Or that it is the explanation by his son, Abdul Baha or his grandson, Shoghi Effendi).

It is from the Book of Certitude by Baha’u’llah. Thanks for picking that up.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Buddisms certainly does not lack curiosity nor is it anti Buddhist to be curious.

We live in the now, seeking to end our suffering through deep exploration of our being.

We dont look to the sky or to others to do our work, but we can curiously look at things to help guide us in a certain direction.

Things we see, not things we are told are.

believing in God without question, that lacks curiosity.

6 out of 10. The reply is about as informed as Disciple's comment about Buddha being an idol. Believing in God without question is not an end of itself, and people have various reasons for it. Its true that many people are paid to preach that belief is equivalent to personal accomplishment. This is mistake I think, but its not really addressed by the thread which tends to over-simplify and make comparisons between Buddhism and Christianity that are not very accurate. Its not something Buddhism can address. Buddhism has its own complex naming systems and processes, and it would be rare to find someone who understands all of Buddhists just as it would be rare to find someone who understands all Christians.

 

[crossfire]

Faith (Saddha) is one of the Five Spiritual Faculties in Buddhism:

Indriya - Wikipedia

 

[BilliardsBall]

Faith is like a rock being held in a mans fist, he claims he holds a rock, you say open your fist, he say no have faith i am holding it, and you are content with that.

A Buddhist will simply ask that the hand be opened, until then do you hold a rock, maybe.

You may but without opening the hand there is absolutly no proof, faith was a word created to justify the belief in something without a shred of evidence.

You are correct regarding blind faith (belief without reasonable evidence) but not reasoned faith (evidence for trust). If I study for a test, I have reason to have faith in good grades. Likewise, Jesus Christ offers multiple reasons to trust Him IMHO.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Buddhism has its own complex naming systems and processes, and it would be rare to find someone who understands all of Buddhists just as it would be rare to find someone who understands all Christians.

I think I understand all of Jesus: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
Sole ticketing agent. The rest burn in hell for all eternity. Look at what happened to Chorazin, Bethsaida, Capernaum, and Decapolis - "it will be more bearable for them in the Judgement Day, and that they would sink down to Hades."
Rejection of Jesus - Wikipedia

 

[Brickjectivity]

I think I understand all of Jesus: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
The rest burn in hell for all eternity.

No, and lets not start reinterpreting quotes from each other's scriptures. You don't want to do that, and I'm not going to teach you here in this thread. If I thought you had a grasp of what Jesus was talking about I would admit it, but you don't seem to.

 

[Desert Snake]

There are many who see the statue as a reprensentation of the Buddha and thereby want to show respect to Buddha and they bow to the statue ( a few worship it)
As a Cultivator of buddha dhamma i do not bow to the statue( because it is what it is a statue) Buddha is not in the statue. But i have respect to those who bow too.

I have statues myself, [different beings.

However interesting to note you don't make the connection to faith, when they chant to a statue, etc. Because I do. That's called 'faith', in some form, and why religions are called 'faiths'.