Hmmmmm..... I'll have to check those scripture references and think about that one a little bit.
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Faith?
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Okay so I read those two chapters, I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying exactly? There was a conflict with Paul and Peter and James? Or the veil lifted from the old testament law through Christ or I'm just not sure what you're saying.
leov
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conflict, yes, they had to divide their world, James wanted some Law items retained, Paul was down in Peter, check Galatians.
Oh okay yeah I know what you talk about now. So the law is still relevant to us today though right?, As long as we understand that it cannot save us? We should still try to follow it though huh?
leov
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relavent? it depends on your consciousness, most of the Law through collective unconscious became part of human essense, but, as you know, not for all. i think , that was a plan from get go to spread consciousness throughout the world using diaspora of Hebrews until it became norm on world's consciousness, first good consciousness in the Book then in the world's consciousness in the heart. Paul speaks about Christ consciousness in the heart vs in the Law which in the Book.
leov
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relavent? it depends on your consciousness, most of the Law through collective unconscious became part of human essense, but, as you know, not for all. i think , that was a plan from get go to spread consciousness throughout the world using diaspora of Hebrews until it became norm on world's consciousness, first good consciousness in the Book then in the world's consciousness in the heart. Paul speaks about Christ consciousness in the heart vs in the Law which in the Book.
idea
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the substance of things hoped for - what do you hope for? I hope for salvation for all - heaven for all. seems like it would not be heaven at all if everyone was not refined, and everyone was not there rejoicing together. First decide what you have hope in, and faith will follow.
Okay, thank you
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Maybe somewhat like me.
I read it through about age 11 or 12, and then a 2nd time a year or so later. And it was more of just reading than really pausing to absorb and think or be changed by what I was reading. Now I read very differently. I am not in a hurry to finish a book in the Bible as I'm reading one. I'm more interested in absorbing every jewel in every chapter.
Now when I read, I'm really taking my time! I'm like someone that paused along the road, and is standing there, stopped. Searching. Waiting.
Listening....
Now, I want to totally silence every thought, all the noise, every doctrine laid aside, forgotten, and just hear.
It could take a month to read a gospel that way, or maybe 3.
Some days I can read a chapter in a gospel. But there are days when I read just 1 or 2 verses Jesus said, and I'm so full that have have to just stop and dwell with the words. They are in me, and I'm changed, and it's heaven.
That is great!Maybe somewhat like me.
Now I read very differently. I am not in a hurry to finish a book in the Bible as I'm reading one. I'm more interested in absorbing every jewel in every chapter.
Now when I read, I'm really taking my time! I'm like someone that paused along the road, and is standing there, stopped. Searching. Waiting.
Listening....
Now, I want to totally silence every thought, all the noise, every doctrine laid aside, forgotten, and just hear.
It could take a month to read a gospel that way, or maybe 3.
Some days I can read a chapter in a gospel. But there are days when I read just 1 or 2 verses Jesus said, and I'm so full that have have to just stop and dwell with the words. They are in me, and I'm changed, and it's heaven.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Are you sure it's fear?
What if it's excitement? Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
That is a good question I'll have to think about that.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Something else to think about? Related to fear but from a different perspective. There is , unfortunately this thing, a phase that people go thru called "Existential Dread"? Have you heard of it? It sounds awful, but there's a silver lining. I think it's perfectly normal for everyone, ( especially for thinkers ) to go thru a phase of "Existential Dread". My Daughter went thru it. I went thru it.
There's light at the end. But, it's not super fun along the way... I'm sorry to say.
So maybe there's 2 ways of looking at the feeling you get when you are reading.
1) It could excitement, because you are intellectualizing on deep ( slightly ominous ) subjects. But it's exciting because, you are starting to understand it. But it's still a little scary.
2) It could be that reading it is helping you mature, naturally, and part of that... along the way... is the realization that it's possible all of this is meaningless. And that is really scary. That's real fear. But it's temporary. That's "Existential Dread".
Either way, you should keep reading
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I'm not sure I quite understand you totally, the simple fact that I am desperate is what drives me to seek forgiveness? Does that make any sense
No I have not heard of that I will have to look into it thanksSomething else to think about? Related to fear but from a different perspective. There is , unfortunately this thing, a phase that people go thru called "Existential Dread"? Have you heard of it? It sounds awful, but there's a silver lining. I think it's perfectly normal for everyone, ( especially for thinkers ) to go thru a phase of "Existential Dread". My Daughter went thru it. I went thru it.
There's light at the end. But, it's not super fun along the way... I'm sorry to say.
So maybe there's 2 ways of looking at the feeling you get when you are reading.
1) It could excitement, because you are intellectualizing on deep ( slightly ominous ) subjects. But it's exciting because, you are starting to understand it. But it's still a little scary.
2) It could be that reading it is helping you mature, naturally, and part of that... along the way... is the realization that it's possible all of this is meaningless. And that is really scary. That's real fear. But it's temporary. That's "Existential Dread".
Either way, you should keep reading