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Faith ...

PureX

Veteran Member
In German, for example, the word faith is the exact same as "believe"....the word you use when you say: I believe that thing is very evil, or I believe that thing is very good.
This semantics anecdote is wonderful. ;)
Or ... they simply did not develop a word for faith: for choosing to trust in and act on a hoped for but otherwise unassured result.
 

Enai de a lukal

Well-Known Member
Or ... they simply did not develop a word for faith: for choosing to trust in and act on a hoped for but otherwise unassured result.
I guarantee you, there is a German word for "faith" (that is not simply the word for "belief"), at a minimum in epistemology and philosophy of religion. I just wish there was a German-speaker familiar enough with philosophy to tell me what it is. You cannot do epistemology or philosophy of religion without a term for faith, its just not possible.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
My "faith" when I was younger came from the conviction that God had a plan for me.
I did not have to worry about any specific outcome, it would be according to God's plan, not mine.

So at the time I was convinced of this. I was convinced of God's existence and God's plan/purpose. So I had faith which motivated me to act without any specific concern for the future since God was in charge of it all. Faith that God would take a person where they needed to go without knowing where that place was. Trust and belief were/are weak alternatives to faith.

With faith there is no room for doubt.
But what you had was not faith at all. It was the belief that God would do for you and to you whatever you needed. Whatever you did God was sorting it out for you. But for that belief to work for you, you had to be "all in". You couldn't entertain any doubts. Because with this kind of BELIEF there can no room for doubt, or it won't work. It won't provide you with the effortless surety that you wanted.

And it's this kind of faithless belief that a lot of religions promote. And that a lot of believers accept because they also want that effortless surety that their God is always looking out for them.
 

1213

Well-Known Member
But we are not getting any messages from God. So that kind of faith is not available to us.
We have the message from God in the Bible. And we can chose to be loyal (faithful) to God the same way Noah was faithful to God.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Faith is putting your hand out in the dark, and finding it held. Or holding your face up to the light, even though for the moment, you do not see.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
I have yet to observe anyone invoke "faith" in the religious sense where it is distinguishable from gullibility.
No. You have yet to observe anyone invoke "faith" in the religious sense where it is not judged by you to reflect nothing but gullibility. I suspect that this is primarily due to:
  1. the quantity and quality of your interactions, and
  2. a knee-jerk bias against theists.
 
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