Fake Gods

[Koldo]

If you are asking about the meaning of the myth of Jormungandr my answer rests on what I have learned from the mythology and comparative mythology as well as embodying the myth in phenomenal experience. A world serpent is like Jormungandr is echoed in mythology of Egypt and Hindu. They have shared elements helping to understand Jormungandr. Then there is just experiencing Jormungandr itself (not a a talking snake but as an entity of our natural world).

That won't do. I am asking you to provide proper evidence that Jormungandr was never meant as an actual physical creature.

You can't just say stuff like 'I heard so in a class' or 'I can find a parallel in other mythologies'.

Jormungandr is the Germanic version of the chaos serpent, such as the Greek Typhon, who Zeus battled like Thor battled Jormungandr. It's just another metaphor for the Gods enforcing order over chaos. There's even a version in the Bible with Yahweh battling Leviathan. It's the same thing.

Where is the evidence for it being strictly a metaphor?

 

[Bear Wild]

That won't do. I am asking you to provide proper evidence that Jormungandr was never meant as an actual physical creature.

You can't just say stuff like 'I heard so in a class' or 'I can find a parallel in other mythologies'.

This response shows how little you understand myth. You are trying to do what so many people who do not understand myth which completely misses the truth. Myths are truths about relationships not facts in a science book. If you cannot see past a literal translation then you cannot understand myths. They were not meant to be written down. Instead they were meant to be told orally often with ritual performances and rites. So if you ask for anything on paper then you will always be disappointed.

 

[Koldo]

This response shows how little you understand myth. You are trying to do what so many people who do not understand myth which completely misses the truth. Myths are truths about relationships not facts in a science book. If you cannot see past a literal translation then you cannot understand myths. They were not meant to be written down. Instead they were meant to be told orally often with ritual performances and rites. So if you ask for anything on paper then you will always be disappointed.

Why do you insist to waste our time?
Either you have evidence to substantiate your perspective concerning norse mythology, which is what I have been asking for, or you don't. If you do, present it. And if you don't, I am not going to agree with your perspective. It is that simple. Empty claims won't suffice.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jayhawker Soule said:
Just out of curiosity, do you see no substantive difference between the viability of Thor and the viability of the God of Genesis 1?

Good question indeed.

Regards

Do we have a book authored by Thor so that we compare its attributes with attributes of Gd, please, right??
^ Anybody, please

Regards

 

[1213]

What a dumb argument. There were multiple mountains named Olypmus in antiquity so I'm sure the Greeks didn't believe the Gods were literally camping there. The Greeks were a clever people with a sophisticated religion. Olypmus is a spiritual realm, same as Asgard with the Germanic Gods.

Unfortunately I don't know any ancient information that would support the idea that they had a sophisticated religion.

 

[1213]

For what reason do they not deserve it? Why would it not be reasonable?

Because they have not done or said anything for that.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Because they have not done or said anything for that.

What do they need to do or say that for you to accept that they could be kept as one's God?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Unfortunately I don't know any ancient information that would support the idea that they had a sophisticated religion.

Then go do some more learning.

 

[Frank Goad]

Since we have a thread on Real Gods up right now, I was thinking about many gods and goddesses which people don't believe in. What mental processes does one go through in order to logically determine which god is real as opposed to gods believed to be false?

How does one know that the Abrahamic God is real, while declaring gods such as Zeus or Thor to be "false"? Would an ancient Roman believe that Jupiter is real while Zeus is fake?

There are some who reject all gods due to a lack of evidence of gods (or even any coherent, usable definition of the concept). Most believers seem to pick and choose, where they believe in one god or some gods, while rejecting others. Is the process of picking and choosing just a feeling that people have, or is it simply a matter of upbringing?

Are there any people who believe in absolutely everything?

What do you study that brought you to this conclusion?

 

[Stevicus]

What do you study that brought you to this conclusion?

What conclusion are you referring to? In the post you're quoting, I'm asking questions, not making conclusions.

 

[Frank Goad]

What conclusion are you referring to? In the post you're quoting, I'm asking questions, not making conclusions.

Sorry.I didn't get what you were saying.

 

[Stevicus]

Sorry.I didn't get what you were saying.

Well, it's that there were recent threads, such as the one about "Real Gods" and another about comparisons of belief in gods versus beliefs in the Easter Bunny, Nessie, etc. So, I was asking if there was any standard one might go by to determine which beings are believed to be real versus those believed to be false.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Since we have a thread on Real Gods up right now, I was thinking about many gods and goddesses which people don't believe in. What mental processes does one go through in order to logically determine which god is real as opposed to gods believed to be false?

How does one know that the Abrahamic God is real, while declaring gods such as Zeus or Thor to be "false"? Would an ancient Roman believe that Jupiter is real while Zeus is fake?

There are some who reject all gods due to a lack of evidence of gods (or even any coherent, usable definition of the concept). Most believers seem to pick and choose, where they believe in one god or some gods, while rejecting others. Is the process of picking and choosing just a feeling that people have, or is it simply a matter of upbringing?

Are there any people who believe in absolutely everything?

If ever there was a fake God it is man himself. Man has only led us into deeper and deeper misery, conflict, hatred, prejudice, greed and never ending wars. Even though man is the cause of the destruction of society we still follow him blindly. Following man’s ways has only led the world from one disaster to another without any end in sight. We follow our passions into perilous ways because we believe we are god and can do whatever we like. So we have oppression and wars all over the world and increasing thanks to man. We have poverty, drug addiction and domestic violence thanks to man.

Man is the god of this world and what a hell hole he has created full of depression and misery, hopelessness and despair for all except the filthy rich. The god man controls this world and has plunged it into a deep and bottomless pit of aggression, corruption and tyranny. And most are too stupid to continue to follow this terrible false god.

 

[1213]

What do they need to do or say that for you to accept that they could be kept as one's God?

Something that I don't think humans could know. But, unfortunately for them, they have already failed, by being silent.

 

[1213]

Then go do some more learning.

Can you show one example of their sophistication?

 

[Audie]

This response shows how little you understand myth. You are trying to do what so many people who do not understand myth which completely misses the truth. Myths are truths about relationships not facts in a science book. If you cannot see past a literal translation then you cannot understand myths. They were not meant to be written down. Instead they were meant to be told orally often with ritual performances and rites. So if you ask for anything on paper then you will always be disappointed.

Myths are "truths"?
That definition, and definition of
"truth" are both in doubt here.

Your assertion that " so manny" can t see other than the
literal is highly dubious.

 

[Audie]

If ever there was a fake God it is man himself. Man has only led us into deeper and deeper misery, conflict, hatred, prejudice, greed and never ending wars. Even though man is the cause of the destruction of society we still follow him blindly. Following man’s ways has only led the world from one disaster to another without any end in sight. We follow our passions into perilous ways because we believe we are god and can do whatever we like. So we have oppression and wars all over the world and increasing thanks to man. We have poverty, drug addiction and domestic violence thanks to man.

Man is the god of this world and what a hell hole he has created full of depression and misery, hopelessness and despair for all except the filthy rich. The god man controls this world and has plunged it into a deep and bottomless pit of aggression, corruption and tyranny. And most are too stupid to continue to follow this terrible false god.

So sez a "lover of humanity."

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Can you show one example of their sophistication?

 

[ppp]

If ever there was a fake God it is man himself. Man has only led us into deeper and deeper misery, conflict, hatred, prejudice, greed and never ending wars. Even though man is the cause of the destruction of society we still follow him blindly. Following man’s ways has only led the world from one disaster to another without any end in sight. We follow our passions into perilous ways because we believe we are god and can do whatever we like. So we have oppression and wars all over the world and increasing thanks to man. We have poverty, drug addiction and domestic violence thanks to man.

Man is the god of this world and what a hell hole he has created full of depression and misery, hopelessness and despair for all except the filthy rich. The god man controls this world and has plunged it into a deep and bottomless pit of aggression, corruption and tyranny. And most are too stupid to continue to follow this terrible false god.

The assertions that you consistently and unrelentingly make about humanity exude little more than contempt, revulsion, scorn and denigration. Is the name @loverofhumanity some sort of ironic joke?

 

[Sand Dancer]

Yes, Thor is definitely more real to me. I have felt his presence. Others may experience the god of genesis more and thus that god is more plausible. Seems that one is plausible if one experiences them. The myths about both contain truth if one knows the context of the myths.

I don't think I ever felt a god's presence, not even when I was Christian. How does that feel or happen?