Hmm. You seem to be confirming what I said: that people see this very differently, particularly when Trump weighs in.
Yes, people see this differently. However I must say that when people like Trump, Guiliani and his supporters act in bad faith, how they see things becomes less relevant than what they are trying to do. And that is change the outcome - irrespective of election integrity.
Case in point: Trump falsely stated on the call 5,000 dead people voted, that a video showed votes being scanned three times, and that a video also showed votes hidden under a table. He stated this as if it was a fact. He wouldn’t let Raffensberger tell him why it isn’t a fact. Then the President went on Twitter and re-stated these untrue claims, and lied about Raffensbergers response:
^ This is a lie.
Raffensberger
was not “unwilling or unable” to answer the allegations. Anyone can listen to the audio and hear for themselves. Raffensberger
did answer Trump’s questions when he could - Trump kept interrupting and not letting him speak. Raffensberger
specifically addressed the false claims made by Trump about dead voters and votes hidden under a table. Raffensberger agreed to meet with Trump’s lawyers and go through the allegations point by point. He also offered the full video
which Trump refused to view.
Why would someone who is “sincerely” concerned about the
integrity of the election -
and not just securing a favorable outcome - lie like this? How does lying help election integrity? You can see how it helps change the outcome in his favor though, right?
How can you be outraged by how the media supposedly didn’t portray the call accurately, in your view, and not be outraged at the President blatantly lying about it?
Do you realize that when the President lies like this he was lying to his own supporters? The ones who “sincerely” believe the election was stolen and who don’t feel listened to. Gosh, who’s fault is that, who’s the one causing those awful “sincere” feelings of election fraud that can’t be assuaged by facts ... Raffensberger, or the President?
You focus on Trump “really” believing he won the election. But fail to acknowledge if he won’t listen to the other side / facts he doesn’t like, and keeps lying about his opponents, then the sincerity of his beliefs becomes doubtful - and irrelevant.
Surely after the events of yesterday you will give up defending this guy.
The media quoted a particular part of the phone call.
Really? Which article do you think portrayed the call inaccurately?
You, and Trump, have both portrayed the call very inaccurately. You literally made up your own quote.
Read that sentence again, and look inward.
When you ask: "How can you possibly not see the difference?" The answer is: I do see the difference. That's actually the point I'm making. So... do you see the difference as well?
The difference I was referring to was the difference between your made-up Trump quote, “please make sure the elections are fair and legal in Georgia”, versus bullying election officials into finding ways to change the outcome, which is what actually occurred as anyone can hear for themselves on the 100-minute recording.
Yes, I see the difference. Do you?
To get back to topic: You say that I sugar-coated the phone call, but the point I was making is that the media demonized the phone call, which is true.
Evidence, please. You and Trump have already distorted the call. Which media article, specifically, inaccurately reported it? Which media article entirely made up a quote and attributed it to Trump, as you did?
You really should take a hard look in the mirror here, respectfully.
Honestly, after the events of yesterday why even bother providing air cover for this guy? He has bankrupted the Presidency just as he bankrupted his businesses.
