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lostwanderingsoul

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The reason it is so hard to explain the trinity is because there is no trinity. The Holy Spirit is the power or life force of God. Not a third "person". God consists of the Father and the Son. A duality, not a trinity. God IS a spirit and He IS holy. So all that IS God makes up the "Holy" Spirit. Draw a large circle with two small circles inside. One small circle is the Father and on small circle is the Son. The large circle is the Holy Spirit or God.
 

Spartan

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Jesus absolutely had a divine nature. That is because he was the son of God and thus inherited his Father's nature, which was clearly divine.

Genesis 1:11 said that seed is in itself. An apple seed makes and apple tree, an orange seed makes and orange seed, a cat seed (sperm) makes a cat, etc. Genesis goes on to say in verses 11, 21, and 24 that anything that reproduces makes another identical thing. An apple seed makes an apple tree (v 11), a whale makes a whale (v 21),and a cow makes a cow (v 24). All of this is to say that an offspring of anything will have the same nature as its parent. But that in no way implies that an offspring of a cow can be the same cow. That would be considered an absurd idea in any realm with the one exception that trinitarians make, i.e. God's son is actually his own father.

But here's the real kicker. Are not we, as born again believers, sons and daughters of God? As such, would it not follow that we, like Jesus, also have a divine nature? That is what all the forgoing would indicate. But just to nail it down, I offer:

2Pet 1:4,

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
We absolutely have a divine nature. Yet none of us are God. That is why I don't deny the divinity of Jesus, but I do deny in the strongest terms possible that Jesus is God.

But let's say I am wrong. Let's assume Jesus is God. What then do we do with all of the following verses?

John 20:17,

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my (Jesus') God, and your God.​

2Cor 11:31,

The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Eph 1:3,

Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
These verses all declare Jesus to have a God (there are others also). So if Jesus is God, then God has a God? Who the heck would that be? Presumably that God would be more powerful than both Jesus and his Father. Maybe we should be worshiping that God.

My solution to that dilemma is simple. Jesus is not God. Problem solved.

Take care...

Here's some other scriptures showing the deity of Jesus Christ:

1. Jesus existed in the beginning (John 1:1; Philip 2:6; Rev. 19:13; Micah 5:2).
2. He was with God (John 1:1).
3. He is God, the Son (John 1:1; Rom. 9:5; Heb. 1:8, 10; I John 5:20).
4. He is God manifest in the flesh (John 20:28; I Tim. 3:16; Col. 2:9; Acts 20:28; Heb. 1:8).
5. He is God foretold (Isaiah 9:6; Psalm 45:6).
6. He is Immanuel, God with us (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23).
7. He is the true God (I John 5:20 with Titus 2:13; Romans 9:5).
8. He is the great God (Titus 2:13).
9. He is God our Savior (II Peter 1:1).
10. He existed in the form of God before His incarnation and was equal with God the Father (Philippians 2:5-7)
11. He is the only wise God (Jude 25).
12. He is omnipotent over disease. (Matthew 8:1-4; Luke 4:39)
13. He is omnipotent over demons. (Matthew 8:16-17; Luke 4:35)
14. He is omnipotent over nature. ((Matthew 8:26)
15. He is omnipotent over death. (Luke 7:14-15; John 11:25)
16. He is omniscient, knowing the hearts of the Pharisees. (Matthew 12:25; Luke 5:22; 6:8; 7:39-40)
17. He knew the thoughts of the scribes. (Matthew 9:3-4)
18. He knew the history of the Samaritan woman. (John 4:24)
19. He is omnipresent. (Matthew 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13; 14:20)
20. He was worshiped as God by the angels (Hebrews 1:6); worshiped as God by the wise men (Matthew 2:2); worshiped as God by the shepherds (Luke 2:15); worshiped as God by a ruler (Matthew 9:18); worshiped as God by Thomas (John 20:28); worshiped as God by the apostles (Matthew 14:33;28:9)
21. He forgives sins. (Mark 2:5)
22. He saves (only God saves). Matthew 18:11; John 10:28).
23. He judges. (John 5:22)
24. Paul, Peter, Jude, James, and John called Him God. (Galatians 2:20; 1 Peter 3:22; Jude 25; James 2:1; I John 5:20; Revelation 1:18; 19:16)
25. He is God’s Son, who was sent to bring us eternal life. (John 3:16)
26. He arose from death in the flesh (John 20:26-28; Luke 24:39-43; I John 4:2-3).
27. One with the Father (John 10:30).

It's very clear that Jesus is God!

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

God bless!
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
Here's some other scriptures showing the deity of Jesus Christ:

1. Jesus existed in the beginning (John 1:1; Philip 2:6; Rev. 19:13; Micah 5:2).
2. He was with God (John 1:1).
3. He is God, the Son (John 1:1; Rom. 9:5; Heb. 1:8, 10; I John 5:20).
4. He is God manifest in the flesh (John 20:28; I Tim. 3:16; Col. 2:9; Acts 20:28; Heb. 1:8).
5. He is God foretold (Isaiah 9:6; Psalm 45:6).
6. He is Immanuel, God with us (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23).
7. He is the true God (I John 5:20 with Titus 2:13; Romans 9:5).
8. He is the great God (Titus 2:13).
9. He is God our Savior (II Peter 1:1).
10. He existed in the form of God before His incarnation and was equal with God the Father (Philippians 2:5-7)
11. He is the only wise God (Jude 25).
12. He is omnipotent over disease. (Matthew 8:1-4; Luke 4:39)
13. He is omnipotent over demons. (Matthew 8:16-17; Luke 4:35)
14. He is omnipotent over nature. ((Matthew 8:26)
15. He is omnipotent over death. (Luke 7:14-15; John 11:25)
16. He is omniscient, knowing the hearts of the Pharisees. (Matthew 12:25; Luke 5:22; 6:8; 7:39-40)
17. He knew the thoughts of the scribes. (Matthew 9:3-4)
18. He knew the history of the Samaritan woman. (John 4:24)
19. He is omnipresent. (Matthew 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13; 14:20)
20. He was worshiped as God by the angels (Hebrews 1:6); worshiped as God by the wise men (Matthew 2:2); worshiped as God by the shepherds (Luke 2:15); worshiped as God by a ruler (Matthew 9:18); worshiped as God by Thomas (John 20:28); worshiped as God by the apostles (Matthew 14:33;28:9)
21. He forgives sins. (Mark 2:5)
22. He saves (only God saves). Matthew 18:11; John 10:28).
23. He judges. (John 5:22)
24. Paul, Peter, Jude, James, and John called Him God. (Galatians 2:20; 1 Peter 3:22; Jude 25; James 2:1; I John 5:20; Revelation 1:18; 19:16)
25. He is God’s Son, who was sent to bring us eternal life. (John 3:16)
26. He arose from death in the flesh (John 20:26-28; Luke 24:39-43; I John 4:2-3).
27. One with the Father (John 10:30).

It's very clear that Jesus is God!

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

God bless!
OK. Jesus is God. But then I have a question, the same question I've asked many and have yet to get even an attempt at an answer.

John 20:17,

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my (Jesus') God, and your God.​

2Cor 11:31,

The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.​
Eph 1:3,

Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
These verses all declare Jesus to have a God. Who is that God?

I'll wait for your reply, and then I'll gladly address John 1:1. For now, I'll point out that John 1:1 doesn't say "Jesus" was with God. It says the "word" was with God. I'll elaborate upon receiving your answer to my question about who the God of Jesus is.

God bless...
 

lostwanderingsoul

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Here is the point people do not see. There is NO "person" or "being" named God. There is a Father and a Son and together they are God. God is like a family name. I have a son who is not me and I am not him but we both are part of one family. The Father and Son are both part of one God. People cannot see this and continue to think of God as an old man with a white beard. But that could be a description of the Father, who is just one part of God. The Word in John 1:1 became flesh in the form of Jesus. So the Word and Jesus are really the same, just in different form.
 

rrobs

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Here is the point people do not see. There is NO "person" or "being" named God. There is a Father and a Son and together they are God. God is like a family name. I have a son who is not me and I am not him but we both are part of one family. The Father and Son are both part of one God. People cannot see this and continue to think of God as an old man with a white beard. But that could be a description of the Father, who is just one part of God. The Word in John 1:1 became flesh in the form of Jesus. So the Word and Jesus are really the same, just in different form.
Very true that there is no being named God. However there is a being named Yhovah. Technically, He is not a person. He is spirit (John 4:24). He is the father of Jesus. Why you understand that you and your son are not the same individual, and yet Yhovah and his son are the same, is a mystery to me. We all know what a son is and what a father is. We all know that they are in no way, shape, or form, the same individual. Why throw away all logic, word meaning, and common sense when it comes to the scriptures? There is a better way.

God communicates to us via words. Unless He specifically says so, he doesn't change the meaning of those words as we understand them. He uses the words "father" and "son" the same way we do. There is nothing in the scriptures that would indicate that a son can be his own father or that a father can be his own son. Men came along and said that, but even on the surface, it is an insane idea and God never said such a thing.

With regards to John 1:1, I suggest you do some study on Greek word "logos." That is is Greek word translated as "Word" in John. First of all, in the Greek texts there were no small and capital letters. They were all what we would call capital letters. Therefore, the capitalization of the word "Word" is man's idea, not Gods, By the time our modern Bibles were translated from the Greek originals, the trinity was totally accepted as doctrine. It was that bias that caused the translators to capitalize the word "Word." They wanted to make everybody thing the Word was literally Jesus. But the word "logos" means much more than that.

Do your own research, but I think you will see that the word logos means more like the following:

Part of the definition of "logos:" in Abbott-Smith's Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament is:

"a word, not in the grammatical sense of a mere name (ἔπος, ὄνομα, ῥῆμα), but a word as embodying a conception or idea:"​

The Encyclopedia Britannica says the following:

“Logos, (Greek: “word,” “reason,” or “plan”) plural logoi, in Greek philosophy and theology, the divine reason implicit in the cosmos, ordering it and giving it form and meaning.”​

The New American Standard Greek Lexicon gives the following as the primary meaning of the word logos:

“a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
The logos is God's plan of redemption. While Jesus is certainly the star of the plan, he is not the plan itself. In John 1:14 the plan was made flesh, and that of course was Jesus. It was not until the day Jesus was born that the logos became flesh. While the plan was with God in the beginning, Jesus was not. Just read what's written without inserting preconceived ideas.

Jesus was a perfect representation of God's plan. He always obeyed his Father. Never missed a beat, not even when God asked (not forced) Jesus to die on the cross. That is why Jesus was called the image of God. An image of something is just that, an image. It is not the thing itself. That is why Jesus could say that if you saw him, you saw the Father. The scriptures are clear that nobody has ever seen the actual God (John 1:18), so Jesus could not have meant that he actually was God. Ever heard the phrase, "If you've seen one, you've seen them all?" We all know what that means. You didn't actually see every dog in the world, but by seeing just one, you know, more or less, what they all look like. That is all Jesus was saying.

The same idea of John 1:14 is brought out in Hebrews.

Heb 1:1-2,

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
In the OT God communicated the logos, the word (logos) of John 1:1, via the written word and the spoken word. But "in these last days" He spoke to us via his son, Jesus Christ. Those "last days" are the days that "the word became flesh" in John 1:14.

Here is some info on the last phrase of John 1:1, "and the word was God." It is very misleading the way it is translated in our modern Bibles. It makes God and the word seem as though they are one identical thing. That is not really accurate at all.

The words in the Greek texts do not always follow the same order as they do in our English translations. In particular, the last phrase in John 1:1, “and the Word was God” is written as “and God was the Word” (και θεος ην ο λογος) in the Greek texts. The reader should note that while the English translation of this phrase begins with the “Word,” the Greek original texts begins with the word “God.” Also noteworthy is the fact that both translations use the definite article associated with the word “Word” while there is no definite article used with the word “God.” With that in mind, I submit the following:

"...the fact that the word ‘God’ is used first in the sentence actually shows some emphasis that this Logos (Word) was in fact God in its nature. However, since it does not have the definite article, it does indicate that this Word was not the same ‘person’ as the Father God, but has the same ‘essence’ and ‘nature’."
All of this is to say that the word (logos - plan) that God had in mind from the beginning was Godly in nature. It was divine in nature. Jesus was God's son and thus, like all offspring, shared his Father's nature. So while it is accurate to say Jesus was divine, that he shared the divinity of his Father's nature, it is not true to say that Jesus actually was his Father, an idea that makes no sense unless we ignore the simple meaning or words, in this case, "father" and "son." There is no need to do that.

By the way, thanks to Jesus' willingness at great personal cost, to carry out his Father's plan, we too share in the same divine nature of God.

2Pet 1:4,

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.​

That's pretty good!

I hope you decide to do your own research on the logos. Simply substituting the word "Jesus" for it pretty much mashes the redemption story to bits. God' plan (logos) was genius to the nth degree. He knew that since death came by man, so would the resurrection of the dead have to come by a man, not a god or a god-man, but by a man.

1Cor 15:21,

For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.​

Just read what's written. Don't add ideas to it that aren't there. Anyway, that's my advice and I'm confident it's God's advice as well.

The entire OT is the unfolding of God's plan, the logos of John 1;1. Jesus read that plan and little by little learned what he must do to bring that plan to fruition. By his free will he decided every moment of every day to carry out that plan. What a man! Give God the credit He deserves for coming up with a plan to redeem mankind and to Jesus for the love he had to carry out the plan.

God bless.
 

lostwanderingsoul

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Well, I have trouble seeing how a "plan" could become flesh and live among men. Sure sounds like the Word became Jesus who was flash and lived among men. Sometimes we get so bogged down trying to translate things from other languages that we do not see the reality of what it means.
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
Well, I have trouble seeing how a "plan" could become flesh and live among men. Sure sounds like the Word became Jesus who was flash and lived among men. Sometimes we get so bogged down trying to translate things from other languages that we do not see the reality of what it means.
I understand you have a problem with seeing how a "plan" could become flesh. Below is an image from a Greek-English Interlinear Bible:

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You can clearly see that the "logos" became flesh. So at least you know I wasn't lying about the word "Word" being the Greek word "logos." I also showed you three reputable sources that explain what the word "logos" means. Based upon that, I don't think it wrong when I said it was a plan that became flesh, and that that flesh was the man Jesus Christ. What is not at all clear, is to say that God became flesh.

I didn't write the book. I didn't say the logos became flesh. It wasn't my idea to not say God became flesh. God said the logos became flesh, and He did not say God became flesh. So is it any easier to think God became flesh (something the book doesn't say) than for the logos (exactly what the book says) to become flesh?

We are told to become workman, rightly dividing the word.

2Tim 2:15,

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Unfortunately, workmen have to work and work is work. It's not always easy. Equally unfortunate is the fact that the Bible was not written last year in New York of Los Angeles. It was in fact give to people thousands of years ago. God gave it to them in their language, using their customs and way of thinking. The way we think today is vastly different than how the Jew thought thousands of years ago.

If we really want to understand God's word, it is essential that we make an effort to understand things, to see things, from their perspective and not our own. It is no secret that even the meaning of English words have changed. To understand Shakespeare, it is necessary to understand what English words meant when Shakespeare wrote. Why would the Bible be any different? And we are talking about an entirely different language with the Bible. A language that is vastly different than English.

There is simply no way to get to the depths of the scriptures without doing some work in the original language, without having some idea of the way the ancient Jew viewed his world, without having some idea of their customs.

Fortunately, none of those things are beyond anybody who is willing to do a little work, as we are told to do in 2 Tim 2:15. I'm no genius. I'm certainly not fluent in either Hebrew or Greek. But I can look stuff up in a concordance that was put together by someone who is highly proficient in those languages. In my last post I simply quoted 3 different sources that explained what the word "logos" means. I never could have done that on my own, but thanks to their effort I can learn a lot about that word.

So you have a choice to make. You can either do some work, do further study on the logos of John 1:1, or you can just accept the tradition that says Jesus is God and let it go at that. However, I suggest you strongly consider what Jesus said to the Pharisees about tradition.

Matt 15:6,

And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.​

Tradition makes the word of God of none effect. It takes away all it's power. I was trinitarian at one time, most of my life really. I can tell you from my experience that once I realized and accepted that Jesus was not God, the scriptures took on a whole new light. The entire redemption story made way more sense. In short, the scriptures became way more effective and powerful.

I've told you many things the average Christian never gets the chance to hear. Don't think it was accidental that you and I are talking. I would give what I said much thought before simply sticking with tradition. I would go beyond what I've said and consider the ramifications of Jesus being God's son and therefore not God himself.

You don't have to get bogged down in language or anything else. It's not that hard, especially in light of the inter net. Just Google the word "logos" and see if what I said is true or not. Pick up a Greek or Hebrew interlinear Bible (all over the inter net) and play around with it. Like I said, you don't have to be fluent in Greek to glean a ton of information you'd never get by just reading an English translation. Really, it's very simple and actually enjoyable as you uncover things you never would from any English translation. There are tons of on line books that explain the manners and customs of the ancient Near East person. Get one and it'll open your eyes in a big way to many, many verses. If none of this makes sense to you, I'd be glad to help you further. Once you get going, it's just not that hard.

God bless...
 

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kjw47

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Jesus absolutely had a divine nature. That is because he was the son of God and thus inherited his Father's nature, which was clearly divine.

Genesis 1:11 said that seed is in itself. An apple seed makes and apple tree, an orange seed makes and orange seed, a cat seed (sperm) makes a cat, etc. Genesis goes on to say in verses 11, 21, and 24 that anything that reproduces makes another identical thing. An apple seed makes an apple tree (v 11), a whale makes a whale (v 21),and a cow makes a cow (v 24). All of this is to say that an offspring of anything will have the same nature as its parent. But that in no way implies that an offspring of a cow can be the same cow. That would be considered an absurd idea in any realm with the one exception that trinitarians make, i.e. God's son is actually his own father.

But here's the real kicker. Are not we, as born again believers, sons and daughters of God? As such, would it not follow that we, like Jesus, also have a divine nature? That is what all the forgoing would indicate. But just to nail it down, I offer:

2Pet 1:4,

Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
We absolutely have a divine nature. Yet none of us are God. That is why I don't deny the divinity of Jesus, but I do deny in the strongest terms possible that Jesus is God.

But let's say I am wrong. Let's assume Jesus is God. What then do we do with all of the following verses?

John 20:17,

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my (Jesus') God, and your God.​

2Cor 11:31,

The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Eph 1:3,

Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
These verses all declare Jesus to have a God (there are others also). So if Jesus is God, then God has a God? Who the heck would that be? Presumably that God would be more powerful than both Jesus and his Father. Maybe we should be worshiping that God.

My solution to that dilemma is simple. Jesus is not God. Problem solved.

Take care...



Jesus, while sitting at his Fathers right hand in heaven, stresses to all 4 x in a single paragraph--he has a God( John 20:17, Rev 3:12)-- So when one compares this truth to their teachers--100% contradiction of a trinity.
And did God say--Here me have a revelation( Rev 1:1)?
God is king of eternity. Jesus had to appointed king( Dan 7:13-15) but must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father( 1Cor 15:24-28) and subject himself)----- forever.
The being speaking at Proverbs 8 is the being who came to earth and was named Jesus as a mortal(Gods master worker) the one whom God created all other things through, But Jesus is--the firstborn of all creation( Coll 1:15)
There is a ton more evidence against a trinity than for one. Isrealite God worship history= never served or taught a trinity while serving the true living God-YHVH. The Father alone( 1Cor 8:6)
 

kjw47

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I liken the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to ONE species - God, so they can be one, and one also in will and purpose.

The Bible is full of evidences for the deity of Jesus. If Paul doesn't believe Jesus is divine then he is wrong. But I've posted my info and I'll stick to that.

Elsewhere, Jesus Must Be Jehovah. Scriptural evidences follow:

Jesus Must be Jehovah

Cheers...


YHVH is king of eternity--Jesus had to be appointed king( Dan 7:13-15) and then must hand back the kingdom( 1Cor 15:24-28) to his God and Father and subject himself. So there is 0 chance in all creation that Jesus is YHVH.
YHVH doesn't have a God-Jesus does( John 20:17, Rev 3:12)
Trinity translations are filled with error.
Example in the Hebrew language( OT) there is no-- I am that I am---I will be what I will be is the correct translation. Only found in trinity translations. So by Jesus telling the Pharisees that he lived before Abraham, trinity based religions twist it because of that OT error. The only translating that remained when the protestants translated was Catholicism translating. It has been corrected though-The new world translation.
 

Spartan

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YHVH is king of eternity--Jesus had to be appointed king( Dan 7:13-15) and then must hand back the kingdom( 1Cor 15:24-28) to his God and Father and subject himself. So there is 0 chance in all creation that Jesus is YHVH.
YHVH doesn't have a God-Jesus does( John 20:17, Rev 3:12)
Trinity translations are filled with error.
Example in the Hebrew language( OT) there is no-- I am that I am---I will be what I will be is the correct translation. Only found in trinity translations. So by Jesus telling the Pharisees that he lived before Abraham, trinity based religions twist it because of that OT error. The only translating that remained when the protestants translated was Catholicism translating. It has been corrected though-The new world translation.

I just provided multiple examples of why Jesus is Jehovah. I'm sticking with that. Here they are again:

Jesus Must be Jehovah
 

ACEofALLaces

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God wants us to know. Look up the word "know" in any Concordance and you will quickly see it means the completer opposite of blind faith. It means you can know it the same way you can know that 1 equals 1 or that 1 does not equal 2 or 3.

Take care...[/QUOTE]

When I looked up the word "know" in my concordance, it essentially defined it as 'having sex with another individual".
You MIGHT want to use a different example, IMHO, of course.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
I just provided multiple examples of why Jesus is Jehovah. I'm sticking with that. Here they are again:

Jesus Must be Jehovah


Did he pray to himself? Did he say--Here me have a revelation( Rev 1:1) And on and on= No--This is reality-- John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- Jesus has a God, his Father, like we do. It just takes believing Jesus over men. Few will.

Another bible truth
Mark 3:24-26--A house divided( 34,000 trinity religions) will not stand. They fail this true mark 100%-1Cor 1:10-- unity of thought, no division.
 

Spartan

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Jesus is not the Father. Jesus and the Father are God. Does Jehovah mean God or just the Father? That will answer the question.

Jehovah is the name for God - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Their name is Jehovah. Think of it as the name of their species.
 

lostwanderingsoul

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Jehovah is the name for God - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Their name is Jehovah. Think of it as the name of their species.
OK I can see that. Also Jehovah could be like a family name You have Father Jehovah and Son Jehovah and Holy Spirit Jehovah. Three different and distinct "persons" but all part of the Jehovah family ( or species). Is that the way you see it?
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Which of these images best describes the trinity and why?
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Why can't our Heavenly Father, Theanthropic Ieseus, and the Holy Spirit of God be three separate beings? God in Heaven shouted down to Earth while the Holy Spirit of God clung to newly-baptized Ieseus... all three present at the same time. The family of God unfailingly has the Son deferring to His Father. In Greek and Hurrian and Hittite and Egyptian and Sumerian theology, there is also the All-Father.

Many have noticed that monotheism doesn't show up until Ezra, in Judaism. Even Freud speaks of it. As does much of current scholarship. True, that much of it is atheistic, and much can only be described as damage control; but the rest is Judah trying to either reclaim from British Israel the 10-tribed-national-deed, or trying to be reconciled to the rest of mankind. And nearly two millennia ago, Ieseus came to the Circle of the Nations, seeking the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.
 

lostwanderingsoul

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And why can't people see the word "God" as describing a family or other group of indivuals. There is only one God but that one God consists of more than one member. Just like one family consists of more than one person or a ball team consists of more than one player. "God" is not a person. The Father is a person and Jesus is a person. Together they make up one God. And this "God" family is growing. The Father wants to adopt many children who will then all be part of God. The idea of a trinity forever limits God to three persons. But the idea of "God" as a family allows for the true potential of humans, which is to become part of the God family. That is why Satan tries so hard to promote the trinity idea, because it hides the true nature of God.
 

Spartan

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OK I can see that. Also Jehovah could be like a family name You have Father Jehovah and Son Jehovah and Holy Spirit Jehovah. Three different and distinct "persons" but all part of the Jehovah family ( or species). Is that the way you see it?

Yes. They are all three Jehovah God.
 
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