Secret Chief
Veteran Member
... do so many Americans desperately want it?
("inspired" by the thread regarding Trump at the next election)
("inspired" by the thread regarding Trump at the next election)
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Fascism - Why...
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PoetPhilosopher
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Because of people like Alex Jones, Donald Trump, a failing education system, because of past evangelical movements, because of shows like the 700 Club, because of anger about Obama, because of past cracks in the system
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Do American fascists know that they are fascists?
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
They probably think they're just Tea Party or MAGA.
Yerda
Veteran Member
I'm not sure this is the case.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
. . . . Writer Jonathan Katz put forward a thorough analysis over the weekend, citing the work of Robert Paxton, a respected historian of Vichy France and author of the 2004 book, “The Anatomy of Fascism.”
Katz quoted Paxton at length: “Fascism in power is a compound, a powerful amalgam of different but marriageable conservative, national socialist, and radical right ingredients, bonded together by common enemies and common passions for a regenerated, energized and purified nation, whatever the cost to free institutions and the rule of law.”
All of that scans quite neatly onto the rhetoric and atmospherics of modern-day Republicanism, as Katz himself lays out in his essay.
“The danger is not that American fascism will necessarily or even probably turn out like Italian Fascism — or German, Syrian, Argentinian, or any other. We are not going to live a shot-for-shot remake of the Holocaust or the Second World War,” Katz wrote. Rather, he continued, “the danger would be in the triumph of an exclusionary, violent, anti-democratic cult of personality, which by definition will not be dislodged through elections, politics, or civil debate.”
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Thank you.
Tell me about this Obama anger. Is it just unresolved racism?
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
Unresolved racism. And anger upon people thinking there were a bunch of years where he turned the country further left. And anger because he told some half-truths at one point to get elected, then changed course a bit afterwards.
Sigh. Trump was no accident of misfortune to the USA.
I doubt many Americans really want fascism, I think what we have is a bunch of Americans who have no clue what Fascism is really about, accusing other Americans whom they disagree with as being fascists.
Why Indeed, though i think really that its a few power hungry peeps and many hangers on.
They ostensibly want America to be what it was before. Some might regard America's past as "fascist," some not, although the label is unimportant. If America can be considered fascist back in c. 1900-1920, then yes, I would say so.
Some of this may be the result of many predictions of doom, in one form or another, much of which belies America's weaknesses, diminished capacity, and the fact that we no longer are in control of our own destiny. Americans seem to want to go back to a time when America was in top form, on top of the world, and at the top of our game. Just like an aging, washed-up celebrity wanting to make a comeback.
Those who perceive America as being soft, decadent, and weak may believe that fascism is an energizing, electrifying force which will bring America out of its torpor and make us strong and powerful again.
tytlyf
Not Religious
They don't know what it is and won't bother to look it up.
FASCISM
"a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"
Sound familiar?
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Very much so. The direction of travel is plain for all to see.
Honestly I would like to know why a term that belongs to the political history of an European country is misused, today, in the United States to portray a Conservative politician who just wants to make America great again, by the means of protectionism, tax reductions and less war campaigns.
There are no fascist leaders in the US, and there will never be.
There are no fascist leaders in the US, and there will never be.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Fascism is simply a political ideology, therefore it is neither time-bound, nor location-bound.
That does not sound familiar to me concerning the USA, does it to you?
