Fascism - Why...

[Kfox]

People always want the candidate they support to win. People feel passionately about their preferred candidate, and the campaign ramps up that passion, that is what political campaigns do. People invest their heart and soul into getting their person elected.

But usally when they don't win, the candidate accepts defeat. If you have ever watched the people listening to a concession speech you will see they cry, they scream, they rend their garments etc. But eventually they get over it and move on.

And that's what most of the Trump supporters did, they moved on.

But that didn't happen, what happened is Trump kept stirring up the passion by telling them lies. That is the difference.

I'm not talking about the actions of Trump, I'm talking about those who voted for him.

 

[Kfox]

Actually homophobia and fascism do go hand in hand. I don't think we've ever seen one without the other.

Absurd!

 

[Quagmire]

We're still social animals, however, and we've been evolving that way before the species we are came into existence. And centuries of political developments have made things like the UN Declaration of Human Rights something that has found support around the world.
Too many people have tasted freedom and liberty for fascism to be most people. Then it becomes like a Nietzsche metaphor sayijg it's not social justice when the lion turns violent when a piece of meat in front of it is taken away.

(Sorry, looks like I didn't get an alert for this).

Yes we're social animals, but in a fundamentally tribal way.

I don't think it really matters what kind of ideals or institutions we come up with, we're up against human nature, and whether we're talking about individuals or the species as a whole human nature doesn't tend to change unless it absolutely has to.

I don't think we're going to be able to fix ourselves (especially since most of us seem more concerned with fixing everybody else).

 

[Estro Felino]

People always want the candidate they support to win. People feel passionately about their preferred candidate, and the campaign ramps up that passion, that is what political campaigns do. People invest their heart and soul into getting their person elected.

But usally when they don't win, the candidate accepts defeat. If you have ever watched the people listening to a concession speech you will see they cry, they scream, they rend their garments etc. But eventually they get over it and move on.

But that didn't happen, what happened is Trump kept stirring up the passion by telling them lies. That is the difference.

Atheists have a different notion of the truth, than we Christians, for example.
We believe the Truth is what really happened.

Atheists will believe what they want to believe because they don't believe in a God that sees and knows everything, from above.

If nobody cheated on that day of 2020, fine. But if they did, God knows that and will hold them accountable, when they die.
He saw them. The Supreme Judge saw their crimes. Even if they deny them.


So... Trump may be wrong, but he also may be right on the elections steal.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The reason it was not a false dichotomy, is because you seemed to be making the claim that the reason people got their jobs back after the pandemic is due to the programs Biden introduced. I find that claim to be absurd, so I responded with a question designed to show you the absurdity of your claim.

Sorry, but it obviously was. And that you can't see that disqualifies you from demanding answers. There were countless different possibilities. you chose only two. That you had to do so indicates either a lack of honest or lack of intelligence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You seemed to suggest he was by saying his supporters wanted a dictator which is why they voted for him

No they did not; they were disappointed just like everyone else when they see their candidate lose.

How can you forget January 6th? How can you forget the endless baseless lawsuits. I think that out of over 60 there was one minor "win". That tells you that the Republicans tried to cheat and also tried for an insurrection. That those attempts failed does not mean that they did not happen.

 

[fantome profane]

Atheists have a different notion of the truth, than we Christians, for example.
We believe the Truth is what really happened.

Atheists will believe what they want to believe because they don't believe in a God that sees and knows everything, from above.

If nobody cheated on that day of 2020, fine. But if they did, God knows that and will hold them accountable, when they die.
He saw them. The Supreme Judge saw their crimes. Even if they deny them.


So... Trump may be wrong, but he also may be right on the elections steal.

Thank you, that is just what this topic needed. A good injection of religious intolerance. I am sure that will help.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Atheists have a different notion of the truth, than we Christians, for example.
We believe the Truth is what really happened.

Atheists will believe what they want to believe because they don't believe in a God that sees and knows everything, from above.

If nobody cheated on that day of 2020, fine. But if they did, God knows that and will hold them accountable, when they die.
He saw them. The Supreme Judge saw their crimes. Even if they deny them.


So... Trump may be wrong, but he also may be right on the elections steal.

Atheists are far more likely to believe the truth because they follow the evidence. The same cannot be said about Christians. And you do not seem to understand the Christian faith yourself. There is no punishment for the guilty in Christian heaven. It only depends upon people believing the resurrection myth. The Christian God is not a moral God.

 

[Secret Chief]

Atheists have a different notion of the truth, than we Christians, for example.
We believe the Truth is what really happened.

Atheists will believe what they want to believe because they don't believe in a God that sees and knows everything, from above.

If nobody cheated on that day of 2020, fine. But if they did, God knows that and will hold them accountable, when they die.
He saw them. The Supreme Judge saw their crimes. Even if they deny them.


So... Trump may be wrong, but he also may be right on the elections steal.

What does your god think of closet fascists?

 

[fantome profane]

Actually homophobia and fascism do go hand in hand. I don't think we've ever seen one without the other.

Absurd!

Would you name one State that you think was fascist that was not also homophobic? Just one.

There might not be anything inherent in fascism that indicates it must be homophobic, but there is definitely a correlation. There is no denying that.

Fascism and Homosexuality: why is homosexuality a threat to fascist masculinity

Fascism and Homosexuality: why is homosexuality a threat to fascist masculinity

www.academia.edu

 

[Kfox]

It was a resurrection and it has been adjudicated as such. Just because the people who carried it out were morons, doesn't mean it wasn't an insurrection.

I never said it was not an insurrection, I said it was not an attempt to overthrow US democracy.

 

[Kfox]

There might not be anything inherent in fascism that indicates it must be homophobic, but there is definitely a correlation. There is no denying that.

I can name PEOPLE who are fascist but not homophobic. Do you deny that?

 

[fantome profane]

I can name PEOPLE who are fascist but not homophobic. Do you deny that?

Let's just say I am skeptical.

 

[Kfox]

Sorry, but it obviously was.

So you are claiming Biden's policies is what brought us down from the extreme unemployment resulting from the pandemic? Are you serious???

And that you can't see that disqualifies you from demanding answers.

Nothing disqualifies me from asking questions. If you don't like my questions, quit making claims.

There were countless different possibilities.

Possibilities of what?

you chose only two.

What are you talking about? I chose two of what?

That you had to do so indicates either a lack of honest or lack of intelligence.

You need to start expressing your views in a way that makes sense.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you are claiming Biden's policies is what brought us down from the extreme unemployment resulting from the pandemic? Are you serious???

Oh my, another false dichotomy. Again, that indicates that you cannot debate the issue honestly. People that know that they are wrong tend to do this.

Nothing disqualifies me from asking questions. If you don't like my questions, quit making claims.

That was not a "claim" it was an observation based upon the posts that you write. Debate properly and it will not be a problem. You will of course lose since the facts and evidence are against you. But at least you can try.

Possibilities of what?

What are you talking about? I chose two of what?

You need to start expressing your views in a way that makes sense.

There is no need to excessively break up a post to this extent. Try again. If you cannot understand how you are screwing up then you should ask questions politely. I don't mind if you insist on being wrong. I know that I would not want to do that.

 

[Kfox]

How can you forget January 6th? How can you forget the endless baseless lawsuits. I think that out of over 60 there was one minor "win". That tells you that the Republicans tried to cheat and also tried for an insurrection. That those attempts failed does not mean that they did not happen.

The people we are talking about had nothing to do with the insurrection, the lawsuits, or anything else you've mentioned. Care to try again?

 

[Kfox]

Oh my, another false dichotomy. Again, that indicates that you cannot debate the issue honestly.

Then explain exactly what you meant on post #174.

 

[Friend of Mara]

I appreciate the point, but the former is not a part of the definition of the latter (similarly antisemitism I would guess).

The belief in a natural hierarchy usually dictates it. "Natural Hierarchy" is just fancy spoken shorthand for a blended mix of sexism, antisemitism, racism and homophobia.

I guess we could technically try to argue that a fascist could exist in a world where they believed in a strict social hierarchy but it wasn't along the same exact heteronormative white cis male dominant status model. Hmm. Now that I think about it there might be some warlords in Africa that may qualify for Fascist dictatorships.

But anyway my point still stands that every single instance of fascist ideology that seems to have ever actually occurred in the real world has come with racism and homophobia.

 

[Kfox]

Let's just say I am skeptical.

What do you base your skepticism on?

 

[We Never Know]

Actually homophobia and fascism do go hand in hand. I don't think we've ever seen one without the other.

What exactly is homophobia?