Fascism - Why...

[Friend of Mara]

Absurd!

Okay I laugh reacted because I thought this was sarcastic.

I can name PEOPLE who are fascist but not homophobic. Do you deny that?

Then what is the strict social hierarchy they believe in? Also I'd to see the list.

 

[Kfox]

The belief in a natural hierarchy usually dictates it. "Natural Hierarchy" is just fancy spoken shorthand for a blended mix of sexism, antisemitism, racism and homophobia.

I guess we could technically try to argue that a fascist could exist in a world where they believed in a strict social hierarchy but it wasn't along the same exact heteronormative white cis male dominant status model. Hmm. Now that I think about it there might be some warlords in Africa that may qualify for Fascist dictatorships.

But anyway my point still stands that every single instance of fascist ideology that seems to have ever actually occurred in the real world has come with racism and homophobia.

The same can be said for democracy or any other system of Government.

 

[Friend of Mara]

What exactly is homophobia?

Its the phobia of homos. If this is a serious line of inquiry I imagine there was a follow-up question or comment.

 

[Kfox]

Okay I laugh reacted because I thought this was sarcastic.


Then what is the strict social hierarchy they believe in? Also I'd to see the list.

You don't know the people I speak of. Your point is absurd because your claim can be made of ANY system of government; not just fascism.

 

[fantome profane]

What do you base your skepticism on?

Two things, the corrorlation I have observed between homosexuality and fascism, and your credibility. I think I would be skeptical of just about anything you told me.

 

[Friend of Mara]

You don't know the people I speak of. Your point is absurd because your claim can be made of ANY system of government; not just fascism.

This is false. Not all governments are homophobic. And I would argue the only two "systems" of government that are homophobic are Fascism and Theocracies.

AND even in the instances where they are homophobic it is not a cornerstone of their belief system that is required for the government to function. Democracy may have homophobic laws because the population themselves are homophobic and passed them. However the political ideology of "democracy" doesn't require homophobia to exist to work.

And if they are mystery people that go to school in canada so I wouldn't know them then I assume they aren't real and don't exist. Joe from down the street who smokes meth in a trailer and comes up with wild crazy **** isn't a political leader so his opinions on the grander architype of government is irrelevant.

 

[We Never Know]

Its the phobia of homos. If this is a serious line of inquiry I imagine there was a follow-up question or comment.

So do...
-athiest suffer religiousphobia?
-christians suffer atheistphobia?
-dems suffer repubphobia?
-repubs suffer demphobia?
Etc, etc

My point being if someone doesn't agree with something, why are some labeled as a phobia and some not?

 

[vulcanlogician]

[Why] do so many Americans desperately want [fascism]?

Feeling superior to people often makes someone feel empowered. There is a moral cost to this sort of exchange, but (as it turns out) those who are oppressed end up footing the bill. These people who pursue fascism want to feel empowered... by any means necessary.

I'm not implying that all contemporary fascists are evil power mongers. Some of it stems from the fact that they feel economically desparate. They are impoverished; they feel as if there is no hope. Fascism offers up the promise that if we just abuse and banish the interlopers, we might feel better. Then they might want to go make something of themselves.

The messed up thing is, it works to some degree.

So naturally, because fascism promises to help people (some desperate, some evil) out of their predicaments (even at the expense of others' welfare), it seems like a sweet deal.

 

[Kfox]

This is false. Not all governments are homophobic. And I would argue the only two "systems" of government that are homophobic are Fascism and Theocracies.

AND even in the instances where they are homophobic it is not a cornerstone of their belief system that is required for the government to function. Democracy may have homophobic laws because the population themselves are homophobic and passed them. However the political ideology of "democracy" doesn't require homophobia to exist to work.

And if they are mystery people that go to school in canada so I wouldn't know them then I assume they aren't real and don't exist. Joe from down the street who smokes meth in a trailer and comes up with wild crazy **** isn't a political leader so his opinions on the grander architype of government is irrelevant.

So what is it about fascism that requires homophobia?

 

[We Never Know]

So what is it about fascism that requires homophobia?

The same thing that requires transphobia I reckon lol

 

[Kfox]

The same thing that requires transphobia I reckon lol

which is???

 

[Friend of Mara]

So do...
-athiest suffer religiousphobia?
-christians suffer atheistphobia?
-dems suffer repubphobia?
-repubs suffer demphobia?
Etc, etc

My point being if someone doesn't agree with something, why are some labeled as a phobia and some not?

Sure. If that something is a person's existence. Homophobes don't just "disagree" with homosexuality they disagree with a whole group of people who exist as they are. Not a choice or a lifestyle. Christianity, atheistm, democrats/republicans these are all beliefs and ideologies. Sexuality is not an ideology.

"I just don't agree with the concept of black people. Does that make me racist?" yes....yes it does.

 

[We Never Know]

Sure. If that something is a person's existence. Homophobes don't just "disagree" with homosexuality they disagree with a whole group of people who exist as they are. Not a choice or a lifestyle. Christianity, atheistm, democrats/republicans these are all beliefs and ideologies. Sexuality is not an ideology.

"I just don't agree with the concept of black people. Does that make me racist?" yes....yes it does.

"Homophobes don't just "disagree" with homosexuality they disagree with a whole group of people who exist as they are"

Aren't religious people, atheist, repubs, dems, ect people who exist as they are?

 

[We Never Know]

which is???

Don't ask me. They go hand in hand with the left it seems.

 

[Friend of Mara]

So what is it about fascism that requires homophobia?

Just gonna copy paste myself from earlier.

The belief in a natural hierarchy usually dictates it. "Natural Hierarchy" is just fancy spoken shorthand for a blended mix of sexism, antisemitism, racism and homophobia.

 

[Friend of Mara]

"Homophobes don't just "disagree" with homosexuality they disagree with a whole group of people who exist as they are"

Aren't religious people, atheist, repubs, dems, ect people who exist as they are?

No one is born a republican or democrat. It is a belief they ascribe to. If you cannot differentiate between this and intrinsic qualities you will have a bad time.

 

[We Never Know]

No one is born a republican or democrat. It is a belief they ascribe to. If you cannot differentiate between this and intrinsic qualities you will have a bad time.

According to science no one is born gay, there is no gay gene.

There’s (Still) No Gay Gene | Harvard Magazine

Genes seem to play a role in determining sexual orientation, but it’s small, uncertain, and complicated.

www.harvardmagazine.com

No ‘gay gene’: Massive study homes in on genetic basis of human sexuality

Nearly half a million genomes reveal five DNA markers associated with sexual behaviour — but none with the power to predict the sexuality of an individual.

www.nature.com

There is no ‘gay gene.’ There is no ‘straight gene.’ Sexuality is just complex, study confirms

A genetics study of nearly half a million people closes the door on a long-standing debate in sexuality.

www-pbs-org.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Friend of Mara]

According to science no one is born gay, there is no gay gene.

There’s (Still) No Gay Gene | Harvard Magazine

Genes seem to play a role in determining sexual orientation, but it’s small, uncertain, and complicated.

www.harvardmagazine.com

No ‘gay gene’: Massive study homes in on genetic basis of human sexuality

Nearly half a million genomes reveal five DNA markers associated with sexual behaviour — but none with the power to predict the sexuality of an individual.

www.nature.com

There is no ‘gay gene.’ There is no ‘straight gene.’ Sexuality is just complex, study confirms

A genetics study of nearly half a million people closes the door on a long-standing debate in sexuality.

www-pbs-org.cdn.ampproject.org

In the year 2023 are there still people won't don't believe that sexuality is innate? Is this still an argument people push? Read any of those studies btw. Show me where it says being homosexual is less than innate to a person. Because either you didn't read them or you are trolling.

 

[We Never Know]

In the year 2023 are there still people won't don't believe that sexuality is innate? Is this still an argument people push? Read any of those studies btw. Show me where it says being homosexual is less than innate to a person. Because either you didn't read them or you are trolling.

There is no gay gene, yes or no?

 

[Friend of Mara]

There is no gay gene, yes or no?

Irrelevant. Google why its irrelevant first and then respond to this. Otherwise I have a feeling this conversation is gonna go nowhere fast.