Doesn't matter! They believed it was not fair thus they were not rejecting democracy.
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Fascism - Why...
- Thread starter Secret Chief
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I have already explained this.
Which post number?
First let me restate my position. I never said the U.S. was automatically going to become a dictatorship. I did say it's status as a democracy was in danger. I did say those who attacked the capital on Jan 6th were rejecting democracy. I did not say they were going to defeat the combined forces of the U.S. military. I did say their intention was for Trump to remain in power. I did not say it would automatically succeed.
And I have explained this several times in this thread, most recently in the post I just pointed out to you and you ignored. post 580.
But at this point I think I am tired of your games. If you think winning the debate just means keep asking stupid questions until the other guy gets tired of it, you win.
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I’ve been exchanging with quite a few different people on this post, and it’s a little difficult to keep track of the views of each person I am debating with. Out of the half dozen or so views you expressed, I actually agree with most of them, and the 1 or 2 I may not agree with really isn’t worth arguing over because I can kinda see why someone would feel that way.
Orbit
I'm a planet
They were deluded by inaccurate conspiracy theories, but that still doesn't change the FACT that they were seeking to overturn a free and fair election by force--insurrection. You can play word games all you want, but that is a de facto rejection of democracy.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
I asked ChatGBT and apparently it meant hang Mike Pence.
To reject democracy would be to reject all democratic elections due to them being democratic. Now you know that didn’t happen
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
"In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed."
But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.
Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks."
"PolitiFact reviewed the case files for hundreds of defendants who were arrested and charged for their actions at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and found several defendants who police say were found to have brought firearms. Some were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds while others stashed them nearby: ... "
PolitiFact: Tucker Carlson is wrong. Firearms, other weapons at Capitol on Jan. 6
Tucker Carlson is wrong. Firearms, other weapons were found at the Capitol on Jan. 6
www.statesman.com
Capitol rioter armed with gun on Jan. 6 is found guilty on all charges
Christopher Alberts had a gun on his hip when he charged up the stairs of the Capitol on Jan. 6, and he later yelled at police officers before he was arrested.
www.nbcnews.com
Oath Keepers Cached Weapons for Jan. 6 Capitol Attack, Prosecutors Say
The right-wing militia group was prepared to move a stash of firearms and equipment from a Virginia hotel to rioters last year, prosecutors said, painting the most detailed portrait yet of the planning the group’s members allegedly undertook as they tried to stop certification of President...
www.wsj.com
"A former member of the Oath Keepers militia group testified Wednesday about the large stash of weapons stored by the group at a hotel just outside Washington, D.C., during the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol, as prosecutors provided more details on the group's planning and private communications leading up to the attack.
"I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military," said Terry Cummings, a former member of the group's Florida chapter who was subpoenaed for his testimony and has not been charged or accused of wrongdoing in connection with Jan. 6."
Ex-Oath Keeper says 'many weapons' were stored outside capital during Jan. 6 attack
An ex-member of the Oath Keepers testified Wednesday about the stash of weapons stored by the group at a hotel just outside D.C. during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Nobody else is either.
Read the indictments against Trump. Watch the trial. Trump, his lawyers and his minions had a plan, complete with fake electors and all.
Care to answer the question? How did they plan to defeat the US military, in order to accomplish what he said they wanted to do?"In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed."
But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.
Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks."
"PolitiFact reviewed the case files for hundreds of defendants who were arrested and charged for their actions at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and found several defendants who police say were found to have brought firearms. Some were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds while others stashed them nearby: ... "
PolitiFact: Tucker Carlson is wrong. Firearms, other weapons at Capitol on Jan. 6
Tucker Carlson is wrong. Firearms, other weapons were found at the Capitol on Jan. 6www.statesman.com
Capitol rioter armed with gun on Jan. 6 is found guilty on all charges
Christopher Alberts had a gun on his hip when he charged up the stairs of the Capitol on Jan. 6, and he later yelled at police officers before he was arrested.
Oath Keepers Cached Weapons for Jan. 6 Capitol Attack, Prosecutors Say
The right-wing militia group was prepared to move a stash of firearms and equipment from a Virginia hotel to rioters last year, prosecutors said, painting the most detailed portrait yet of the planning the group’s members allegedly undertook as they tried to stop certification of President...
"A former member of the Oath Keepers militia group testified Wednesday about the large stash of weapons stored by the group at a hotel just outside Washington, D.C., during the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol, as prosecutors provided more details on the group's planning and private communications leading up to the attack.
"I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military," said Terry Cummings, a former member of the group's Florida chapter who was subpoenaed for his testimony and has not been charged or accused of wrongdoing in connection with Jan. 6."
Ex-Oath Keeper says 'many weapons' were stored outside capital during Jan. 6 attack
An ex-member of the Oath Keepers testified Wednesday about the stash of weapons stored by the group at a hotel just outside D.C. during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.abcnews.go.com
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
First of all, our long policy is that the military is not to get involved with elections one way or another.
Secondly, without the vote being certified, we would not have an official winner, thus what would happen next could be anyone's guess.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I'm showing you that the insurrectionists were armed, which you don't seem to believe, despite it being pointed out to you before. Please address that.
If you want to know about Trump's plans involving the military, do what I've been imploring you to do for weeks now - read the indictment.
READ: Trump indictment in 2020 election case
A federal grand jury handed up a criminal indictment of former President Trump on Thursday related to his efforts to remain in power after the 2020 election. The 45-page indictment includes four co…
thehill.com
How about if you do all of that stuff and use the information to answer my question.
Electors are for democratic elections. If the intention is to get rid of democracy and become a dictator, why would he need fake electors?
Doesn’t matter; if a group of people intend on taking over the country by force, the military is there to stop it.
Votes don’t matter when your intention is to take over the country by force. Care to try again?
I never said they weren’t armed.
How did they intend on defeating the US military with those arms?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
No, because all you are doing is playing games. It's obvious what in general was happening on January 6th and why, and for one to ignore what the likely consequences would be is nonsensical.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I have. Several times. It's probably best if you just read it yourself, given that most or all of your questions are answered within it.
You don't see how installing fake electors (who will vote for you instead of the democratically elected guy), in place of the real ones is a subversion of democracy and an attempt to keep oneself in power? Really?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
You said "they were basically unarmed."
You were wrong.
anna.
colors your eyes with what's not there
I saw the following exchange yesterday and it pretty much illustrates what I've seen online, the dogged determination to not see the truth.
Yes, the young interviewer had his act together, but what's so illuminating is the Trump supporter's mechanical pivot.
(Can we embed Twitter links here?)