Fascism - Why...

[anna.]

Now?!

I guess my willingness to give the benefit of the doubt has worn thin...

 

[Rachel Rugelach]

The topic is fascism...okay?
I think there are warmongers both among leftists and among rightists, overseas, so my question is:
isn't that fascist? being pro-war, no matter the cost?

Going to war in order to defend against enemies of democratic freedom is hardly fascist. However, extolling the "virtues" of war as a means of national rejuvenation is most definitely fascist.

Wikipedia provides a good, working definition of fascism, citing various political science resources:

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy."

I don't see how this quite jibes with your idealistic assertions concerning fascism.

 

[Estro Felino]

So we are paying the price for our deal with our own devil, too. Only our devil is not a specific fascist dictator, it's the corruption of capitalism running amok.

Indeed.
If some élites had a minimum of fear of God, they wouldn't do that.
But most of them are in their nineties, and since we all will die of old age, they will have to face God's tribunal too.
Putin will too...but he's much younger than them:

No one wins a war, ever. And the people that start them are just selfish scum.

The difference is that we Europeans have always tried to stop this war. By using the sanctions methods, and not the weaponry method.
I need to remind that in February 2022, Macron flew to Kiev to convince Zelenskyy to implement Minsk and to find an agreement with Moscow.
It's all documented and written.

 

[anna.]

You've been smearing Americans for over a year now and saying it's our fault Ukraine is still fighting. Yeah, that's defemation.
Trump, his own words claim that racist, white supremacists ****s are good people.

But-but-but... she loooooveees American people!!

 

[Secret Chief]

English is a too literal language.
We use send metaphorically: they want them to keep fighting, until the tsar is defeated.

Wow yes, English doesn't have metaphors. Make your mind up on your story.

 

[Secret Chief]

Compared to the OG here, I'm still relatively new, yes.

OG?

 

[Estro Felino]

But-but-but... she loooooveees American people!!

American commoners.
Not the élites.

I guess there's a big difference.

 

[anna.]

OG?

Old Guard.

 

[anna.]

American commoners.
Not the élites.

I guess there's a big difference.

There's a lot you guess at, but you're very often incorrect. And when it's pointed out that you're incorrect, you pivot to some other wild "guess" about the American mindset in which you show such interest. And then when you post an outright lie, you're unfazed, because after all, the lie is protected by our first amendment. Yes, you have the freedom to post a lie, but you chip away at your credibility each time you do, and I become more and more convinced that all you're doing is trolling for sport.

 

[Secret Chief]

There's a lot you guess at, but you're very often incorrect. And when it's pointed out that you're incorrect, you pivot to some other wild "guess" about the American mindset in which you show such interest. And then when you post an outright lie, you're unfazed, since the lie is protected by our first amendment. Yes, you have the right to post a lie, but you chip away at your credibility each time you do, and I'm more and more convinced that all you're doing is trolling for sport.

Also the spokesperson for all Europeans and all Italians.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

English is a too literal language.

Is that whybwe have miscommunications over how vague it often is?

If some élites had a minimum of fear of God, they wouldn't do that.

That's like the failed predictions that education and learning about nature will get rid of Christianity.

 

[Secret Chief]

Old Guard.

I got out on parole, but re-offended.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

When Trump entered office, the economy grew by leaps and bounds. After Covid hit, we purposely destroyed the economy because we thought it would help end covid (wrong) But destroying the economy was not a part of his policies, his governing policies was what built it up in the beginning of his presidency. People who like Trump like his governing policies, not the way we destroyed the economy due to Covid

You know, people keep saying that, by the data just doesn't seem to show it. If you're looking for growth "by leaps and bounds," there is, of course, the Trump deficit -- the biggest by any President ever, and in a single term -- 984 billion in 1989 and over 1 trillion in 2020, largely as a tax cut gift to the wealthiest Americans, who were obviously starving for extra yachts.

How about job growth? Here's a chart, and notice the one very odd orange line (and while you're looking, check out Biden's much shorter purple line).

Biden's first year, 2021, had the highest GDP growth in decades, and yes, of course that led to some inflation which caused the Fed (which is not the President) to raise interest rates to fight -- and that took away quite a bit of that, but still higher than Trump left it, and poised to do much better going forward.

 

[Estro Felino]

There's a lot you guess at, but you're very often incorrect. And when it's pointed out that you're incorrect, you pivot to some other wild "guess" about the American mindset in which you show such interest. And then when you post an outright lie, you're unfazed, because after all, the lie is protected by our first amendment. Yes, you have the freedom to post a lie, but you chip away at your credibility each time you do, and I become more and more convinced that all you're doing is trolling for sport.

I don't see the difference between asking whether Americans love fascism (in the OP) and me wondering whether American élites (right-wing or left-wing, it doesn't matter) are really funding the prosecution of the war, even at cost of Ukrainians' lives...
We are both wondering.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't see the difference between asking whether Americans love fascism (in the OP) and me wondering whether American élites (right-wing or left-wing, it doesn't matter) are really funding the prosecution of the war, even at cost of Ukrainians' lives...
We are both wondering.
Again...no double standards.

Except you've been told this agenda you keep insisting we have is no more real than the hallucinations of an acid trip.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Americans are obsessed with Russia.

Well, a lot of us did grow up with them as the bad guys on the TV and movies and as ideological adversaries.
But no. We are not obsessed with Russia.

For the record, today is Nine Eleven,
It wasn't Putin who did Nine Eleven. But other countries.

And that is relevant how, exaclty? Seems a rather pointless statement and observation to throw out there.

 

[Secret Chief]

Americans are obsessed with Russia.
For the record, today is Nine Eleven,
It wasn't Putin who did Nine Eleven. But other countries.

Yeah and what about the Crimean War.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, a lot of us did grow up with them as the bad guys on the TV and movies and as ideological adversaries.
But no. We are not obsessed with Russia.

And that is relevant how, exaclty? Seems a rather pointless statement and observation to throw out there.

What I meant: Putin may be a fascist dictator, but couldn't care less about the US. He is not a threat to the US people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What I meant: Putin may be a fascist dictator, but couldn't care less about the US. He is not a threat to the US people.

Our gas prices rocketed over his invasion if Ukraine amd he has interferred with elections.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You know, people keep saying that, by the data just doesn't seem to show it. If you're looking for growth "by leaps and bounds," there is, of course, the Trump deficit -- the biggest by any President ever, and in a single term -- 984 billion in 1989 and over 1 trillion in 2020, largely as a tax cut gift to the wealthiest Americans, who were obviously starving for extra yachts.

How about job growth? Here's a chart, and notice the one very odd orange line (and while you're looking, check out Biden's much shorter purple line).

Biden's first year, 2021, had the highest GDP growth in decades, and yes, of course that led to some inflation which caused the Fed (which is not the President) to raise interest rates to fight -- and that took away quite a bit of that, but still higher than Trump left it, and poised to do much better going forward.

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Interesting. Biden has a higher rate than Trump did pre-covid. I do not blame Trump for his losses from covid. And one could argue that Biden was merely following the curve of recovery from covid that began under Trump. It does look as if Trump had a slightly lower growth rate than Obama did after the recovery began. There are quite a few factors in that. I don't want to get into all of the economics for right now, but if you compare that with the deficits under various presidents an interesting pattern appears.

The deficit tends to decrease under Democrats and increase under Republicans.