FBI Releases New Violent Crime Figures

[Shadow Wolf]

Seems that David Muir has some crow to eat after "fact-checking" Trump about his statment on crime, saying" President Trump, as you know the FBI says overalll violent crime is actually coming down in this country". However the FBI released data saying that instead of a 2.1% decrease in violent crimes in 2022 it was actually a 4.5% increase.

FBI quietly updates crime data to show big jump in violence under Biden-Harris admin: 'Shocking'

Crime and data expert John Lott spoke to Fox News Digital regarding how the FBI updated its 2022 violent crime stats to show a 4.5% increase, not a decrease.

www.foxnews.com

Updating numbers from 2 years ago doesn't show the trend is holding today or that it's a trend overall.
Show us where it's still going up? Show us where the overall trend downward is reversing.
All you're showing us in many Americans suck at math and media literacy.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Your source is Fox News, therefore it's false, or ought to be ignored, or whatever.

This bogus excuse is why Thomas Paine anonymously published Common Sense. Criticizing the messenger doesn't make your point valid.

GOP lawmakers slam FBI for quietly updating violent crime stats: 'Blatant manipulation'

House and Senate Republicans expressed the need for accountability following news of the adjusted data.

wgme.com

 

[Colt]

Seems that David Muir has some crow to eat after "fact-checking" Trump about his statment on crime, saying" President Trump, as you know the FBI says overalll violent crime is actually coming down in this country". However the FBI released data saying that instead of a 2.1% decrease in violent crimes in 2022 it was actually a 4.5% increase.

FBI quietly updates crime data to show big jump in violence under Biden-Harris admin: 'Shocking'

Crime and data expert John Lott spoke to Fox News Digital regarding how the FBI updated its 2022 violent crime stats to show a 4.5% increase, not a decrease.

www.foxnews.com

We will have to wait for the revision to find out what the real data is!

"To give people an idea of the size of the change, when the 2022 data came out in September 2023, they initially reported that violent crime had fallen by 2.1% in 2022.… That's the final data, supposedly, for 2022. The revision of that final data that came out last month, now claims that rather than the 2.1% drop, that there was actually a 4.5% increase in violent crime that occurred in 2022. That's a 6.6 percentage point change there," Lott told Fox News Digital.

"It's from a drop to an increase. And, you know, the bizarre thing to me is, for a year after the 2022 data was put out, we were having headlines, news articles after news articles saying, 'Violent crime is falling, people mistakenly or erroneously believe that it's increasing.' And, you know, and they were relying on this data. But you don't see any corrections in the news. Saying, ‘Oops, the FBI data that we relied on was wrong, that rather than a drop, there was actually an increase that had occurred,’" he added.

 

[Argentbear]

oh I'm so sorry you can't "fact check" the information, or is it you can't stand the truth.

here is what the actual report says:

Violent crime decreased by 15.2 percent.
Murder decreased by 26.4 percent
Rape decreased by 25.7 percent
Robbery decreased by 17.8 percent
Aggravated assault decreased by 12.5 percent.
Reported property crime also decreased by 15.1 percent.

Your hyperlink sucks; can you please fix it?

FBI National Press Office

Try this one

 

[Argentbear]

We will have to wait for the revision to find out what the real data is!

"To give people an idea of the size of the change, when the 2022 data came out in September 2023, they initially reported that violent crime had fallen by 2.1% in 2022.… That's the final data, supposedly, for 2022. The revision of that final data that came out last month, now claims that rather than the 2.1% drop, that there was actually a 4.5% increase in violent crime that occurred in 2022. That's a 6.6 percentage point change there," Lott told Fox News Digital.

Lets see this "final data"

 

[crossfire]

Here's the link to the data released Sept 30, 2024

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cde.ucr.cjis.gov

 

[esmith]

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Violent crime dropped by more than 15% in the United States during the first three months of 2024, according to statistics released Monday by the FBI.

The new numbers show violent crime from January to March dropped 15.2% compared to the same period in 2023, while murders fell 26.4% and reported rapes decreased by 25.7%. Aggravated assaults decreased during that period when compared to last year by 12.5%, according to the data, while robberies fell 17.8%.

The numbers released Monday were gathered from 13,719 of the just over 19,000 law enforcement agencies from across the country, according to the bureau...
-- https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/10/us/us-violent-crime-rates-statistics/index.html

So much for the falsehoods perpetrated by Faux news.

Maybe you haven't read the following.

FBI says crime has plummeted to start 2024 - but is missing a big part of the data

Data informing the FBI’s figures is supplied voluntarily by law enforcement agencies across the US, and do not include major metropolitan areas including Los Angeles and New York, where crime is historically high

www.the-independent.com

 

[metis]

Maybe you haven't read the following.

FBI says crime has plummeted to start 2024 - but is missing a big part of the data

Data informing the FBI’s figures is supplied voluntarily by law enforcement agencies across the US, and do not include major metropolitan areas including Los Angeles and New York, where crime is historically high

www.the-independent.com

I have more faith in the official FBI stats than in your website. What's next for you: quoting old copies of MAD magazine?

 

[Pogo]

Even worse, his

I have more faith in the official FBI stats than in your website. What's next for you: quoting old copies of MAD magazine?

argument is based on new data from reputable sources changing the original analysis, but only reducing the apparent effect and not claiming any sort of opposite. Yes when analyzing data it is a continual process as data comes in. Anyone who has an understanding of critical thinking and science understands this.

 

[metis]

Even worse, his

argument is based on new data from reputable sources changing the original analysis, but only reducing the apparent effect and not claiming any sort of opposite. Yes when analyzing data it is a continual process as data comes in. Anyone who has an understanding of critical thinking and science understands this.

But where the data comes from and what and/or who may skew the stats is important.

 

[Pogo]

But where the data comes from and what and/or who may skew the stats is important.

Yes, but estimated statistics as the original were are pretty much by definition subject to revision as more data becomes available as in this case.

 

[Pogo]

But where the data comes from and what and/or who may skew the stats is important.

Yes, but estimated statistics as the original were are pretty much by definition subject to revision as more data becomes available as in this case.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, because liberals don't like it but will use their own biased sources. We know this. Yawn. Ponder isn't in this thread as far I can see, either.

No, I tend to use middle of the road sources. And if I can find a more conservative source that has the same claims I run that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I personally don't believe what these alphabet soup federal agencies have to say as they engage in propaganda. I prefer to believe my own eyes and ears and I know that violent crime is becoming worse in my city because I always follow the news and pay attention to things. Areas that weren't so bad are becoming very dangerous, such as the campus and Short North area. There's definitely been a huge spike in shootings.

Here is the problem. You have a strong political agenda. That means that you will not be able to skew your observations. The FBI is a far more reliable source.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think you misinterpreted the likes. It wasn't because they thought him serious. Everyone knows anotherneil's political beliefs. They simply agreed with the comment that Fox News ought to be ignored. It is a notoriously bad source of information.

Actually Fox is doing an outstanding job at late far better than the left wing Echo Chambers.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have more faith in the official FBI stats than in your website. What's next for you: quoting old copies of MAD magazine?

I agree with you that there's been a decrease reported by the FBI but keep in mind that these are quarterly reports that can go up or down on a whim.

FBI Releases 2024 Quarterly Crime Report and Use-of-Force Data Update | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program released the Quarterly Uniform Crime Report, January-March 2024, and the National Use-of-Force Data Collection Update, March 2024, on the FBI’s Crime Data Explorer (CDE).

www.fbi.gov

I'm still aware however and don't trust people that may or may not fudge their figures to make them look good.

 

[Copernicus]

I agree with you that there's been a decrease reported by the FBI but keep in mind that these are quarterly reports that can go up or down on a whim.

FBI Releases 2024 Quarterly Crime Report and Use-of-Force Data Update | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program released the Quarterly Uniform Crime Report, January-March 2024, and the National Use-of-Force Data Collection Update, March 2024, on the FBI’s Crime Data Explorer (CDE).

www.fbi.gov

I'm still aware however and don't trust people that may or may not fudge their figures to make them look good.

Of course not, but you do trust Donald Trump and the noises coming out of Fudge News.

 

[Revoltingest]

Dems loved the claimed decrease in crime.
Magas loved to see that claim evaporate.

I wonder.....
1) Who here believes that the President
is responsible crime rates?
2) Did the crime rate matter before or
after the adjustment....or both times?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dems loved the claimed decrease in crime.
Magas loved to see that claim evaporate.

I wonder.....
1) Who here believes that the President
is responsible crime rates?
2) Did the crime rate matter before or
after the adjustment....or both times?

Hmm, I have only seen the MAGA's try to use supposedly high crime rates in justifying voting for Trump when the statistics have always shown that the high crime rates, and especially the high crime rates caused by immigrants, simply do not exist.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Here is the problem. You have a strong political agenda. That means that you will not be able to skew your observations. The FBI is a far more reliable source.

No, my agenda is reality and not being lied to. But go ahead and try reading my mind some more (biased assumptions).