Feeling sympathetic towards non Trump supporting Repubs

[Riders]

As liberal as I sound I am somewhat conservative in a few areas. I am a Libertarian not a Democrat/I guess the reason why I'm playing this pro Democrat attitude is because I am more liberal then conservative and I can't stand Trump.The group who gets him out is the side Im on.

But for Republicans who don't like Trump I have sympathies for.I am kind of feeling embarrassed about how much I use to hate Bush these days.I mean geez Id love to have Bush in right now if he could get rid of TRump yikes!

I do have a few things I'm conservative about. GLBT rights I'm liberal except for prison inmates who demand to get the transgender operation while in jail.On the other hand Im aware some men may get abused if they find him out to be trans, so I guess it depends on the situation.

ANyways then GLBT,gun control and the environment I'm all liberal.

But on the other hand when it comes to abortion I do think it should not be illegalied. But personally yea I think its wrong unless the pregnancy is from rape child molestation or a life and death situation.

Outside of that yes its murder. I still believe in its legalization.If its illegalized it takes away the womans right to decide what goes on in her body,its the wrong decision but its her body. I also do not want illegal abortionists with dirty rooms dirty instruments hiding in our community giving hidden abortions to women who pay them a rediculous amount for it.

Financially speaking shockingly enough with the exception of Trump hes not doing well IMOHO with finances, but I do think in general Republicans conservatives are more superior then us liberals with money.

So I'm not quite hundred percent liberal. Id rather see Texas be its own Republic like a lot of Libertarians.

But I wanted to say this because I know I am coming off as radical liberal right now but really I am not. This is all directed towards Trump and his crew nobody else.

I mean maybe this has been good for me because now I am actually starting to appreciate our pas Republican Presidents for the first time.

Reagan was one of the greatest Presidents of all time. Looking at Trump Bush was definitly both Bushes were a lot better then Trump rest assured. If Republicans got a different nominee from Trump and Pence next term Id be thrilled, yea Id even think about it.Its just Trumo and his crew no one else.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Non-Trump supporting conservatives are as welcome with this liberal humanist as Christians that support church-state separation (secular Christians).

I'm not as big of a Reagan fan as you are, however.

I do agree with you that I thought Bush 43 was the worst president ever until an eve worse one came along.

 

[Riders]

Bush wasn't good but he was way better then Trump if it were a vote between Id take Bush over Trump any day.I have seen on the news that in the Reagan years econimically he kept us in a good financial place for awhile.

 

[metis]

The conservatives are deserting the party in droves, with many of them feeling that the party has abandoned them. It's now the Party of Trump.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am more of a fiscal conservative and so used to support the Republican party. But over the years they have switched to being mainly socially conservative. When it comes to saving money there are some things that the Democrats are doing better right now than the Republicans.

 

[Riders]

The conservatives are deserting the party in droves, with many of them feeling that the party has abandoned them. It's now the Party of Trump.

God I hope not.

 

[Akivah]

When it comes to saving money there are some things that the Democrats are doing better right now than the Republicans.

Like what?

 

[sun rise]

The conservatives are deserting the party in droves, with many of them feeling that the party has abandoned them. It's now the Party of Trump.

I'm sure many in Congress are paying lip service to Trump. But to me they lack integrity. The ones who are honest about their view I can respect in that one dimension.

I am more of a fiscal conservative and so used to support the Republican party. But over the years they have switched to being mainly socially conservative. When it comes to saving money there are some things that the Democrats are doing better right now than the Republicans.

Republicans have been borrow and spend for a long time, back to at least Reagan. They only care about deficits when they're not in power. Deficits go down in Democratic administrations. And as a fiscal conservative who believes that endlessly piling on debt is a problem, I support Democrats from that perspective.

As far as abortion goes, I want people who don't like abortion to really help women who are pregnant far beyond just "have the kid". Mothering training, job training and much more would speak to some women who are in financial bind.

 

[Akivah]

The conservatives are deserting the party in droves, with many of them feeling that the party has abandoned them. It's now the Party of Trump.

Do you have a factual link for this? When I searched, I only found that shares of both parties are in decline.
www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

 

[Riders]

Well I don't know alot about Politics perhaps yall are right. However I do remember when Reagan was in actually when I started getting jobs a lot fast food jobs. I was 14 when he was elected or 13 and 21 when Bush Got in.

I do remember seeing a tv special saying fiscally speaking we were in a better place with Reagan then any other president. I don't know about debts.

I remember the minimum wage going up a lot either from 2 bucks to 450 or maybe 350 to 5 something like that. Also they said jobs were better more jobs when he was in.

Its really funny because between the age of 16 my first grocery sacking job when i first quit after 3 months because the guys didn't pay any attention to me and they were always flirting with this hot cashier.

Then early twenties late teens. I was like a gypsie, parents had a lot of issues, I had mental health problems Id stay on the street but however I went through a lot of jobs.

I would go into 15 different fast food places no experience I would hide my experience because I had reputation for quiting jobs and they would hire me on the spot after they checked my criminal record found out I didn't have one.Worked at about 3 retail stores too at the mall they knew me but they hired me anyways its unbelievable.

But in today's date I have heard a lot of teens say and young adults that there are not any jobs and restuarants and fast food places don't hire as much. Anyways just a thought,

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I know I am coming off as radical liberal

No, you really don't.

 

[Riders]

Thank you Lucifer. I am a Libertarian but unfortunately I probably won't see a 3rd party or Libertarian make it in my life time but who knows maybe in the lower offices that would be nice.

 

[Riders]

Heres a article by Forbes that says Reagan years economically were awesome and the job was way more then Obauma or Trump.

It was actually so huge that were huge amounts of people flooding into the job world. This would go along with my experiences of walking into restuarants and fast food places and walking out with jobs and no experience.

Heres my sourcehttps://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toUR...yahoo.com/&referrer=https://search.yahoo.com/

 

[Sunstone]

As Reagan once famously said of the Democrats, "I didn't leave the Party, the Party left me". Only in my case it was the Republicans who left me, rather then the Democrats. That was long ago and far away now, but it mattered to me a lot at the time. Today I have moved slightly further left than when "the Republicans left me", but not really that much in the grand scheme of things.

Having said that, I respect traditional Republican conservatism. The kind of conservatism that was for the minimum necessary size of government, but not for foolishly destroying government. The kind of conservatism that was for fiscal responsibility, but not for gutting the middle class to pay for tax breaks for the uber-rich. The kind of conservatism that was for liberties, but not for intruding in people's bedrooms. The kind of conservatism that was for well-regulated capitalism, but not for allowing corporations to run amok polluting the air, land, and water, or risking he lives and health of workers and consumers. And last, the kind of conservatism that respected and cherished the Constitution, and did not favor ignoring it.

That kind of conservatism is all but dead in this country now except here and there on the local level mainly. But it would have stood up to trump, like it stood up to the John Birchers, and Trump never would have made it through the primaries.

 

[Riders]

es conservative Presidents of the past had some good years.

 

[Phantasman]

As a former Libertarian Party member (now Independent), they are pro second amendment and most Presidential picks are not lawyers, but those who identified with the people. Doctors, IBM managers, etc.

The attorneys cause a lot of the problems in Congress. Schumer, Schiff, McConnell, Graham. Take your pick. Attorneys never lose (in their own minds). Because of this, the only losers are the people.

 

[metis]

Do you have a factual link for this? When I searched, I only found that shares of both parties are in decline.
www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

I was referring to the House Republicans, although it appears that I didn't make that clear. I think there's a couple of dozen of them who classify themselves as being "conservatives", not Trumpians. Trump is not an economic conservative-- not even close.

BTW, the link you provided was from a Pew research poll taken in 2015.

 

[Akivah]

I was referring to the House Republicans, although it appears that I didn't make that clear. I think there's a couple of dozen of them who classify themselves as being "conservatives", not Trumpians.

BTW, the link you provided was from a Pew research poll taken in 2015.

OK, please provide a link supporting your statement from 2018.

 

[metis]

OK, please provide a link supporting your statement from 2018.

I was just showing you what the date was from that which you used, namely 2015, and I think you can probably get the info on how many Republicans have chosen not to run this year if you were to google it yourself.

 

[Akivah]

I was just showing you what the date was from that which you used, namely 2015, and I think you can probably get the info on how many Republicans have chosen not to run this year if you were to google it yourself.

You're the one that made a statement in post #4. So it seems that you are unable to provide a link to your statement. I'll assume its just your opinion, then.