Female Body Shaming

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

And who are those shamers and what gives the right to harass someone? Oh right Christianity. Nice to see that Christianity want to use itself as a Sword and a Shield on women TOO like it has done for so long.

Well the shamers are those who have to pick up the pieces after the wars.
Those who survived the wars, and who are shamingly victorious,
yes the Christian Knights for the most part.

And we realize that the biggest cause of wars are simply too many people
at too soon an age in life. And its a tragedy when you can see the war
coming years in advance of when it does.

Awful to see those wanton women spewing endless children out
in the paths of our swords as we weep when we smite them.

And we know we are strong simply because we were nurtured better
because our forbears erred on the side of chivalry and fidelity and romance.

And it is a terrible sacrifice to be celibate lest your love die on the battlefields
of lust and blood and whoring and warring.

It is a greater love, but the ecstasy of the promise of one kiss upon a cheek
that you remember for decades can ache and rapture the heart more
than all the whores of Babylon.

Selah.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Women getting the blame for why men 'stumble.' Wow, that's such a new thought. lol

Its the young and weak minded boys who stumble before the weak bodied girls, Deidre.

Man stumbleth not for we know our power and sheath our swords in only finest silk.
Women walk ever graceful, for they know their power and do not need to conquer boys
to prove their subtlety, nor their majesty, nor their powers of the minds of the young.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

You know what does lead to an increase in population? Poverty, lack of sex education, inadequate or restricted access to contraception and criminalised abortion.

After they ended apartheid, here in South Africa,
they legalized abortion and made contraception easy to get.
The population doubled in 20 years.
Now they harvest the abortions for medicinal reasons.
Its a massive industry, stem cell muti.

Yes, poverty and lack of sex education does play its role,
but its a self perpetuating cycle, as the poor have little else to
do except fornicate.

So they gave them a government grant for each child under
six years of age. Now they drop out of school and have
as many babies as possible to get the grant and skim money
off the top for their own use.

It was always thus, until the war comes to smite their lust.

 

[Ingledsva]

After they ended apartheid, here in South Africa,
they legalized abortion and made contraception easy to get.
The population doubled in 20 years.
Now they harvest the abortions for medicinal reasons.
Its a massive industry, stem cell muti.

Yes, poverty and lack of sex education does play its role,
but its a self perpetuating cycle, as the poor have little else to
do except fornicate.

So they gave them a government grant for each child under
six years of age. Now they drop out of school and have
as many babies as possible to get the grant and skim money
off the top for their own use.

It was always thus, until the war comes to smite their lust.

These problems are because of poverty, not because they are young women.

The solution to this in South Africa, the USA, and elsewhere, - is to require work for that government benefit.

And of course you have to have a realistic living-wage law.

You aren't going to have a bunch of kids if you have to work for that government money.

In other words no free handout.

I personally would prefer a form of Democratic Socialism, where everyone works, with a living wage law, - and your taxes pay for birth-to-death benefits.

In Nordic countries that have versions of this - they have declining birth rates, no poverty, high wages, high scores on happiness scales, free college- resulting in high literacy scores, and marriage going the way of the Dodo.

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[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

These problems are because of poverty, not because they are young women.

The solution to this in South Africa, the USA, and elsewhere, - is to require work for that government benefit.

And of course you have to have a realistic living-wage law.

You aren't going to have a bunch of kids if you have to work for that government money.

In other words no free handout.

I personally would prefer a form of Democratic Socialism, where everyone works, with a living wage law, - and your taxes pay for birth-to-death benefits.

In Nordic countries that have versions of this - they have declining birth rates, no poverty, high wages, high scores on happiness scales, free college- resulting in high literacy scores, and marriage going the way of the Dodo.

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And with so many people that are uneducated, increasing the wages just increases inflation.
Its nice and warm in Africa. You can just go sleep under a tree.
How you gonna make this lot work?
They have no culture of work ethic.
They reckon they are poor cos white man won't just givum money.
No free handout?
Hell, now me breakin' down the window and stealin' gadgets.
You catcha-me? wahawah you is oppresin' I cos I a black man.

 

[Ingledsva]

Well the shamers are those who have to pick up the pieces after the wars.
Those who survived the wars, and who are shamingly victorious,
yes the Christian Knights for the most part.
...Selah.

What a bunch of BULL!

Men have been shaming women since patriarchy - in an attempt to keep themselves in complete control of woman, her body, and her reproductive rights. And to keep themselves in total power.

They were shaming women when women wore head to toe coverings.

The Facts are that people should be able to walk around totally nude, - without fear of attack by men.

Jungle tribes still go naked, without shame, to this day, - until religions interfere and teach them the naked body is shameful, and they are sinners.

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[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

What a bunch of BULL!

Men have been shamming women since patriarchy - in an attempt to keep themselves in complete control of woman, her body, and her reproductive rights. And to keep themselves in total power.

They were shamming women when women wore head to toe coverings.

The Facts are that people should be able to walk around totally nude, - without fear of attack by men.

Jungle tribes still go naked, without shame, to this day, - until religions interfere and teach them the naked body is shameful, and they are sinners.

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Why do you think some men feel the need to dominate women?

 

[Ingledsva]

And with so many people that are uneducated, increasing the wages just increases inflation.
Its nice and warm in Africa. You can just go sleep under a tree.
How you gonna make this lot work?
They have no culture of work ethic.
They reckon they are poor cos white man won't just givum money.
No free handout?
Hell, now me breakin' down the window and stealin' gadgets.
You catcha-me? wahawah you is oppresin' I cos I a black man.

They don't have to have a "work ethic," if they don't get the money, unless they work for it. No work, no government money.

Obviously this would be "make-work" for unskilled workers, under supervisors.

It is cheaper to pay them a living-wage for this work, - then to pay out government money as it is now.

People will always be stealing things - including rich people.

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[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

They don't have to have a "work ethic," if they don't get the money, unless they work for it. No work, no government money.

Obviously this would be "make-work" for unskilled workers, under supervisors.

It is cheaper to pay them a living-wage for this work, - then to pay out government money as it is now.

People will always be stealing things - including rich people.

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The other pervasive problem is that they take out loans from loan sharks
knowing that they will get money down the line,
at interest rates of 20% per day sometimes, often over 100%
so any money they got coming to them is gone before they get it.

We need more kindergarten teachers actually.

 

[Ingledsva]

Why do you think some men feel the need to dominate women?

Patriarchal ideas of superiority. Patriarchal religions = God is a male, - and a male his image. - Eve as an afterthought from a male rib, etc.

And a resultant fear of being considered weak by other males, if allowing women equality, or fear of losing their power hold on the world.

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[Ingledsva]

The other pervasive problem is that they take out loans from loan sharks
knowing that they will get money down the line,
at interest rates of 20% per day sometimes, often over 100%
so any money they got coming to them is gone before they get it.

We need more kindergarten teachers actually.

Which has nothing to do with the discussion.

Under a work for government money program - being stupid beyond that, would be their own problem.

The world definitely needs more skilled teachers. Perhaps if we enforced a living-wage?

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[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Patriarchal ideas of superiority. Patriarchal religions = God is a male, - and a male his image. - Eve as an afterthought from a male rib, etc.

And a resultant fear of being considered weak by other males, if allowing women equality, or fear of losing their power hold on the world.

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Well in the first part violence was part of pre-linguistic societies, and lets also look at animals, perhaps cats?
I have noticed that some male cats are quite gentlecatly, whereas others are total asscats,
which is better understood by the second part of your post.

Why do some men fear losing power?
Why is there a competitive drive against other males that makes men squabble with each other and women and other creatures?

 

[Ingledsva]

Well in the first part violence was part of pre-linguistic societies, and lets also look at animals, perhaps cats?
I have noticed that some male cats are quite gentlecatly, whereas others are total asscats,
which is better understood by the second part of your post.

Why do some men fear losing power?
Why is there a competitive drive against other males that makes men squabble with each other and women and other creatures?

Well of course there was violence in pre-linguistic societies. Once we started to gather together in caves, - we had to learn from problems associated with that closeness.

That Violence turns to lessons learned, and laws to live by. Take someone's mate - they will trounce you. Steal their food - they will trounce you. Thus laws and "moral" codes come into being.

But patriarchy is something different. The idea that one has a right to rule others by being male, or by might. A Patriarchal need to be superior, and in power, keeps the world at war.

And cats are a good choice to discuss, as we have been fed the patriarchal idea that the male lion fights, and wins, and then OWNS the female pride.

However, now that we have cameras watching their behavior, we have learned otherwise.

Males are too dangerous and thus as they get older - are forced from the pride by the females.

When it is time to mate - the females watch to see which males might be good choices.

Those cameras have shown us that sometime the females do not accept the winner, - they have a problem with him, - and chase him off. This puts the lie to that ownership of the pride idea.

Edit - Forgot that - Why do some men fear losing power? Why is there a competitive drive against other males...?

I have no idea - other then Patriarchy feeds on Patriarchy. We are just starting to come out of it with human rights laws.

Perhaps that "Y" really is a broken "X" and we will always have that deviance.

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[Aquitaine]

And with so many people that are uneducated, increasing the wages just increases inflation.
Its nice and warm in Africa. You can just go sleep under a tree.
How you gonna make this lot work?
They have no culture of work ethic.
They reckon they are poor cos white man won't just givum money.
No free handout?
Hell, now me breakin' down the window and stealin' gadgets.
You catcha-me? wahawah you is oppresin' I cos I a black man.

My mistake, I did not realize you were one of those people. I will now cease debating with you.

 

[FTNZ]

And those who are trying to raise decent human beings are falling into a minority as the influence of movies, the lifestyle of celebrities, peer pressure and violent and graphic computer games dull the sensibilities that some parents are trying to instill in their young ones. The devil is the pied piper and he is leading our children away with his music and entertainment.

"Morality" is a standard of good and bad that keeps slipping according to the whims of men. What used to be shocking no longer raises an eyebrow.
How can you have a standard when people keep moving the goalposts?

I lack belief in a "devil". You realise the morality in the bible was almost certainly established by the whims of men, don't you? And that morality evolves over time and needs to be updated as humanity progresses? Or do you avoid shellfish and mixed fabrics?

 

[Orbit]

After they ended apartheid, here in South Africa,
they legalized abortion and made contraception easy to get.
The population doubled in 20 years.
Now they harvest the abortions for medicinal reasons.
Its a massive industry, stem cell muti.

Yes, poverty and lack of sex education does play its role,
but its a self perpetuating cycle, as the poor have little else to
do except fornicate.

So they gave them a government grant for each child under
six years of age. Now they drop out of school and have
as many babies as possible to get the grant and skim money
off the top for their own use.

It was always thus, until the war comes to smite their lust.

This is making over-generalizations and insulting huge groups of people. I'm having a hard time telling if you're trying to troll, or if you really believe this. Taking a sociology class might help clear up some of your confusion about the poor. There are free courses on the internet. The only thing I can say here is "please educate yourself".

 

[FTNZ]

Why do you think some men feel the need to dominate women?

I don't think they feel a "need", I think they see that dominating women is acceptable in their society so they join in and get away with it. And I think it became acceptable when people stopped revering women for their reproductive capacity and instead felt threatened and inferior because of it. Now that many people adhere to a human rights based moral framework, there is an option to see women as having equal rights to men. A lot of people decline to adhere to that framework, because the traditional inequality favours them.

 

[Orbit]

Well the shamers are those who have to pick up the pieces after the wars.
Those who survived the wars, and who are shamingly victorious,
yes the Christian Knights for the most part.

And we realize that the biggest cause of wars are simply too many people
at too soon an age in life. And its a tragedy when you can see the war
coming years in advance of when it does.

Awful to see those wanton women spewing endless children out
in the paths of our swords as we weep when we smite them.

And we know we are strong simply because we were nurtured better
because our forbears erred on the side of chivalry and fidelity and romance.

And it is a terrible sacrifice to be celibate lest your love die on the battlefields
of lust and blood and whoring and warring.

It is a greater love, but the ecstasy of the promise of one kiss upon a cheek
that you remember for decades can ache and rapture the heart more
than all the whores of Babylon.

Selah.

That's pretty hateful talk for someone who professes to follow Christ. Wow.

 

[FTNZ]

Now they harvest the abortions for medicinal reasons.
Its a massive industry, stem cell muti.

1. Citation please.
2. If the body of a fetus is to be discarded after an abortion, do you believe it is ethical to deny potential stem cell treatment to those who need it?
3. Do you realise stem cell treatment can be achieved using cord blood obtained after a live birth?

 

[Deeje]

I lack belief in a "devil".

Then he has you. What a clever trick to make you believe he doesn't exist. Can't be fooled by something that doesn't exist can you?

You realise the morality in the bible was almost certainly established by the whims of men, don't you? And that morality evolves over time and needs to be updated as humanity progresses?

I disagree...the morality taught in the Bible strikes a chord with something uniquely human in us...our conscience. We all have one, but when we ignore it, it emboldens us to keep challenging it. The more we get away with something in our own minds, the more we will practice it.
Solomon wrote about that....

Eccl 8:11-13)
"Because sentence against a bad deed has not been executed speedily, the heart of men becomes emboldened to do bad. Although a sinner may do bad a hundred times and still live a long time, yet I am aware that it will turn out well for those who fear the true God, because they fear him. But it will not turn out well for the wicked one, nor will he prolong his days that are like a shadow, because he does not fear God."

It appears as if we are the most easily fooled beings on the planet. Unlike animals, we know right from wrong and can choose a course based on our own reasoning...which can be awfully flawed and we are the last ones to know.....then it is too late. We reap what we sow, regardless of when we sow it. No one gets out of this life alive.

Or do you avoid shellfish and mixed fabrics?

I am not Jewish. The law that was given to Jews made them different to everyone else in an age when people made decisions based on what they could see. Jews stood out by their dress and their dietary customs. Their monotheistic God was also unique. I am not sure why there was a restriction on blending threads but Israel's main fabrics were wool and linen. One was from a plant and the other from an animal, so maybe the two were not compatible when mixed. The Bible doesn't say.

I am sure that Jews saw gentiles consume all manner of things forbidden to them in their law, but trust in their God and respect for his requirements made them obedient even when they had no understanding of why a law was given. Peter refused even when God himself told him to eat unclean foods as an object lesson. (Acts 10:9-16)

The Creator doesn't withhold things for no good reason. The Jews' dietary restrictions and hygiene practices made sense because it promoted good health and safeguarded them from many diseases.