Female Body Shaming

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Well of course there was violence in pre-linguistic societies. Once we started to gather together in caves, - we had to learn from problems associated with that closeness.

That Violence turns to lessons learned, and laws to live by. Take someone's mate - they will trounce you. Steal their food - they will trounce you. Thus laws and "moral" codes come into being.

But patriarchy is something different. The idea that one has a right to rule others by being male, or by might. A Patriarchal need to be superior, and in power, keeps the world at war.

And cats are a good choice to discuss, as we have been fed the patriarchal idea that the male lion fights, and wins, and then OWNS the female pride.

However, now that we have cameras watching their behavior, we have learned otherwise.

Males are too dangerous and thus as they get older - are forced from the pride by the females.

When it is time to mate - the females watch to see which males might be good choices.

Those cameras have shown us that sometime the females do not accept the winner, - they have a problem with him, - and chase him off. This puts the lie to that ownership of the pride idea.

Edit - Forgot that - Why do some men fear losing power? Why is there a competitive drive against other males...?

I have no idea - other then Patriarchy feeds on Patriarchy. We are just starting to come out of it with human rights laws.

Perhaps that "Y" really is a broken "X" and we will always have that deviance.

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Well I did actually mean ordinary cats, but the lion is also a good way to observe mammal personalities.
In ordinary cats there are two distinct types of male cats, perhaps some live in human households,
whereas others have to hunt in the wild and are thus semi-feral.

Perhaps two types of human males as well here?

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

My mistake, I did not realize you were one of those people. I will now cease debating with you.

With that attitude you never were debating
you were just being politically dogmatic.

Try living in the 3rd world sometime
instead of reading the junglebook for info on africa.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

This is making over-generalizations and insulting huge groups of people. I'm having a hard time telling if you're trying to troll, or if you really believe this. Taking a sociology class might help clear up some of your confusion about the poor. There are free courses on the internet. The only thing I can say here is "please educate yourself".

Every day I have to walk past an increasing number of beggars on the streets.
I feel deeply about their condition.
I recently spent 4 years living in an African village which is 70% unemployed.

You need to realize that reading courses on the internet has
got nothing to do with the reality of the world.
I would suggest going out and experiencing the 3rd world for yourself directly.

Courses on the internet?
Really?
That is your solution?

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

I don't think they feel a "need", I think they see that dominating women is acceptable in their society so they join in and get away with it. And I think it became acceptable when people stopped revering women for their reproductive capacity and instead felt threatened and inferior because of it.

Why would some men feel threatened by a woman's reproductive capacity?

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

That's pretty hateful talk for someone who professes to follow Christ. Wow.

Nothing I said there was hateful at all.

Well the shamers are those who have to pick up the pieces after the wars.
Those who survived the wars, and who are shamingly victorious,
yes the Christian Knights for the most part.

And we realize that the biggest cause of wars are simply too many people
at too soon an age in life. And its a tragedy when you can see the war
coming years in advance of when it does.

Awful to see those wanton women spewing endless children out
in the paths of our swords as we weep when we smite them.

And we know we are strong simply because we were nurtured better
because our forbears erred on the side of chivalry and fidelity and romance.

And it is a terrible sacrifice to be celibate lest your love die on the battlefields
of lust and blood and whoring and warring.

It is a greater love, but the ecstasy of the promise of one kiss upon a cheek
that you remember for decades can ache and rapture the heart more
than all the whores of Babylon.

Selah.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

1. Citation please.
2. If the body of a fetus is to be discarded after an abortion, do you believe it is ethical to deny potential stem cell treatment to those who need it?
3. Do you realise stem cell treatment can be achieved using cord blood obtained after a live birth?

Answer to 1:

This situation is quite typical, the newspaper is walking distance away.
How many do not get caught?
How many adds for abortionists do I see pasted on every available surface? - More than for anything else.

 

[Orbit]

Every day I have to walk past an increasing number of beggars on the streets.
I feel deeply about their condition.
I recently spent 4 years living in an African village which is 70% unemployed.

You need to realize that reading courses on the internet has
got nothing to do with the reality of the world.
I would suggest going out and experiencing the 3rd world for yourself directly.

Courses on the internet?
Really?
That is your solution?

Yes, because you seem to have no understanding of the structural issues. And not that it matters, I have lived in the 3rd world. Anti-intellectualism never solved anything.

 

[Deidre]

Its the young and weak minded boys who stumble before the weak bodied girls, Deidre.

Man stumbleth not for we know our power and sheath our swords in only finest silk.
Women walk ever graceful, for they know their power and do not need to conquer boys
to prove their subtlety, nor their majesty, nor their powers of the minds of the young.

With due respect, this really isn't accurate. Men of all ages 'stumble.' Women of all ages 'stumble.' If one believes in sin, then one should own his/her own sin, and stop blaming others for why he/she 'stumbles.' Maybe it's because we have been 'taught' in Christian circles to blame Eve for Adam's temptation. Even if just an allegory, the Adam and Eve story shouldn't be painted as a woman tricking a man, or a man 'stumbling due to a woman. It should be that they both sinned equally, and are responsible for their own actions. Just how I see it.

 

[Aquitaine]

With that attitude you never were debating
you were just being politically dogmatic.

Try living in the 3rd world sometime
instead of reading the junglebook for info on africa.

Whatever. I won't debate with a bigoted racist firmly set in his beliefs.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Yes, because you seem to have no understanding of the structural issues. And not that it matters, I have lived in the 3rd world. Anti-intellectualism never solved anything.

The core structural issue is that there are too many people for the economy to meaningfully support.
The poorer the person, the larger the family.
No society can sustain a population growth rate that doubles in 20 years without massive poverty.
And it DOES actually matter!!!

Because those people will become migrants washing up on your beaches any day now.
They will bring their frustrations with them, and also the war which is the sad and shameful and terrible result
of
promiscuity.

That is why people resort to female and male body-shaming to try and prevent overpopulation.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Whatever. I won't debate with a bigoted racist firmly set in his beliefs.

Bigotry is defined as " One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

So you are being tolerant with that attitude?

To call me racist is the worst insult I can think of.
You do not even vaguely know what I endured to destroy the apartheid govt.

I think you are perhaps harboring racism subconsciously yourself to falsely accuse me of that.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

With due respect, this really isn't accurate. Men of all ages 'stumble.' Women of all ages 'stumble.' If one believes in sin, then one should own his/her own sin, and stop blaming others for why he/she 'stumbles.' Maybe it's because we have been 'taught' in Christian circles to blame Eve for Adam's temptation. Even if just an allegory, the Adam and Eve story shouldn't be painted as a woman tricking a man, or a man 'stumbling due to a woman. It should be that they both sinned equally, and are responsible for their own actions. Just how I see it.

You are mostly correct.
However, some men have little or no experience of ladies well into middle-age,
and emotionally have to be regarded as having the mental age of children in this respect.

You see, one of the reasons why women in this world are emotionally stronger than men
is because so many men have died in wars historically. So the fathers of most generations
have been actually much younger than the mothers. This has a knock-on effect down the generations.

Yes, everyone should be responsible for their actions.
But in reality, it is often easier to prevent the tourist from entering the lion's territory
than it is to teach the lion not to eat tourists.

(I hope you got that African metaphor)

Its not really about 'blame'.
Its about what is pragmatical.

 

[Deidre]

You are mostly correct.
However, some men have little or no experience of ladies well into middle-age,
and emotionally have to be regarded as having the mental age of children in this respect.

You see, one of the reasons why women in this world are emotionally stronger than men
is because so many men have died in wars historically. So the fathers of most generations
have been actually much younger than the mothers. This has a knock-on effect down the generations.

Yes, everyone should be responsible for their actions.
But in reality, it is often easier to prevent the tourist from entering the lion's territory
than it is to teach the lion not to eat tourists.

(I hope you got that African metaphor)

Its not really about 'blame'.
Its about what is pragmatical.

I see where you're coming from, Jonathan.
You have to admit though, this is often a very beaten dead horse...women being blamed for men's sexual sin, etc...in Christian circles.

 

[Ingledsva]

Why would some men feel threatened by a woman's reproductive capacity?

You can't control anything for very long if you don't control women's reproduction.

Patriarchy needed to own the children, and write laws that their MALE offspring inherited, - to keep patriarchy alive.

In one of the last Matrifocal peoples still working today, in China, - the women choose their own mates, and keep their children. They live in family groups including the matriarch, her children, often brothers, etc. But not the father. They own their land and homes. Adult males living with their female families - usually move to men's "dorms" to start the dating process. They live in peace, and without fear of the males, no rape, etc., - because the males around them are family, - and have grown up with them. Men do not rule over them.

However - unfortunately - china is also patriarchal - and the modern world is encroaching on them.

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[Aquitaine]

Bigotry is defined as " One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

So you are being tolerant with that attitude?

To call me racist is the worst insult I can think of.
You do not even vaguely know what I endured to destroy the apartheid govt.

I think you are perhaps harboring racism subconsciously yourself to falsely accuse me of that.

I'm sorry, but when I see comments like this:

How you gonna make this lot work?
They have no culture of work ethic.
They reckon they are poor cos white man won't just givum money.
No free handout?
Hell, now me breakin' down the window and stealin' gadgets.
You catcha-me? wahawah you is oppresin'

I do indeed see bigotry along with sweeping generalizations; you are being bigoted against South African blacks - maybe blacks as a whole(?).