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Female Circumcision.

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Female circumcision is the polar opposite of male circumcision. In male circumcision the flesh is discarded and the blood is pure; while in female circumcision the purified flesh is kept and the impure blood is discarded.

Female circumcision takes place when during meiosis and polar body, the female seed throws-off the contamination related to the sin-nature, and the evil inclination, into polar bodies that are washed out in the menstrual blood, leaving one uncontaminated pure (tamim) female seed. The contaminated polar bodies are washed out in the menstrual blood.

Unlike female meiosis where the contamination of the sin-nature is thrown-off through polar bodies in oogenesis, leaving one uncontaminated cell, in male meiosis no part of the reproductive cell is thrown off. Instead, the cells divides in order to halve the chromosomes such that the needed 46 are achieved through the combination of male and female seed.

Whereas the sin nature is throw-off through polar bodies in oogenesis, the male seed keeps all its material and splits into four sperm. Nothing is thrown-off in male meiosis (there's no oogenesis). Instead spermatogenesis keeps all the material, sinful or not, producing four serpent-like mini-leviathan.

The foregoing dictates (so to say) that after oogenesis the "seed of the woman" is pure, perfect (tamim) having gone through the biological mikveh (meiosis and polar body). ------If this perfect (tamim), "seed of the woman" begins to develop without acquiring the same poison that began the Fall of man, the semen, it will conceive a "perfect" human being such that the commandment to be "perfect" (tamim) will have been kept.

This gives us the key to understanding male circumcision (bris milah), since the flesh is discarded (symbolizing its contamination with sin) while the blood is pure, perfect (tamim).

The foreskin discarded in ritual circumcision represents the same thing as the polar-bodies discarded in oogenesis. The foreskin is the equivalent of the discarded polar-bodies such that we're left to wonder why the male blood is pure (tamim) while the female blood is contaminated with sin?

Remember that unlike the "seed of the woman" which is purified through the biological mikveh (oogenesis), the male reproductive seed keeps all its material and thus remains contaminated with sin-nature (spermatogenesis).

Since the male reproductive seed remains contaminated, the throwing-off of the flesh of the reproductive organ (the foreskin) can't represent the splitting of the male seed through oogenesis (which only occurs for the "seed of the woman") and can't represent the purification of the male seed (since all the material sinful or otherwise remains intact in the process of spermatogenesis) and thus can only represent a sacrificial act not associated with biology but with the volition of the sacrificer.

The blood of circumcision is perfect because it sacrifices the male seed before that seed can contaminated the perfected female seed such that the elimination of the flesh of the foreskin signifies Adam discarding with the sinful flesh prior to the conception of Cain.

Rabbi Kaplan's adages that circumcision somehow returns the Jew to Adam prior to the Fall is easily deciphered through even a basic understanding of the parallel between Jewish ritual and biological reality.

The problem is merely finding people who trust the word of God enough to know that every jot and tittle of the word of God is accurate and expresses itself in biology and physics as much as in word, deed, and ritual. The same semen that contaminates the sinful man contaminates his understanding of the sementics of the word of God.


John
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Female circumcision is the polar opposite of male circumcision.
No they are not polar opposites.
Female genital mutilations are usually far worse damage than male genital mutilations. But it's only a matter of degree, they are the same otherwise.
Circumcision is the mutilation of a human. People don't like how God made children so they take a knife to their privates. That's what circumcision is.
Tom
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
There are a few medical reasons that can sometimes justify male circumcision.
This is never the case with female circumcision. Which destroys ther sexual life and satisfaction for the rest of their life. Besides being both painful and dangerous. And illegal in civilised countries.

Religious or tribal tradition can never justify such a practice.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Female circumcision is the polar opposite of male circumcision. In male circumcision the flesh is discarded and the blood is pure; while in female circumcision the purified flesh is kept and the impure blood is discarded.

Female circumcision takes place when during meiosis and polar body, the female seed throws-off the contamination related to the sin-nature, and the evil inclination, into polar bodies that are washed out in the menstrual blood, leaving one uncontaminated pure (tamim) female seed. The contaminated polar bodies are washed out in the menstrual blood.

Unlike female meiosis where the contamination of the sin-nature is thrown-off through polar bodies in oogenesis, leaving one uncontaminated cell, in male meiosis no part of the reproductive cell is thrown off. Instead, the cells divides in order to halve the chromosomes such that the needed 46 are achieved through the combination of male and female seed.

Whereas the sin nature is throw-off through polar bodies in oogenesis, the male seed keeps all its material and splits into four sperm. Nothing is thrown-off in male meiosis (there's no oogenesis). Instead spermatogenesis keeps all the material, sinful or not, producing four serpent-like mini-leviathan.

The foregoing dictates (so to say) that after oogenesis the "seed of the woman" is pure, perfect (tamim) having gone through the biological mikveh (meiosis and polar body). ------If this perfect (tamim), "seed of the woman" begins to develop without acquiring the same poison that began the Fall of man, the semen, it will conceive a "perfect" human being such that the commandment to be "perfect" (tamim) will have been kept.

This gives us the key to understanding male circumcision (bris milah), since the flesh is discarded (symbolizing its contamination with sin) while the blood is pure, perfect (tamim).

The foreskin discarded in ritual circumcision represents the same thing as the polar-bodies discarded in oogenesis. The foreskin is the equivalent of the discarded polar-bodies such that we're left to wonder why the male blood is pure (tamim) while the female blood is contaminated with sin?

Remember that unlike the "seed of the woman" which is purified through the biological mikveh (oogenesis), the male reproductive seed keeps all its material and thus remains contaminated with sin-nature (spermatogenesis).

Since the male reproductive seed remains contaminated, the throwing-off of the flesh of the reproductive organ (the foreskin) can't represent the splitting of the male seed through oogenesis (which only occurs for the "seed of the woman") and can't represent the purification of the male seed (since all the material sinful or otherwise remains intact in the process of spermatogenesis) and thus can only represent a sacrificial act not associated with biology but with the volition of the sacrificer.

The blood of circumcision is perfect because it sacrifices the male seed before that seed can contaminated the perfected female seed such that the elimination of the flesh of the foreskin signifies Adam discarding with the sinful flesh prior to the conception of Cain.

Rabbi Kaplan's adages that circumcision somehow returns the Jew to Adam prior to the Fall is easily deciphered through even a basic understanding of the parallel between Jewish ritual and biological reality.

The problem is merely finding people who trust the word of God enough to know that every jot and tittle of the word of God is accurate and expresses itself in biology and physics as much as in word, deed, and ritual. The same semen that contaminates the sinful man contaminates his understanding of the sementics of the word of God.


John
I am quite sure that you are not discussing female "circumcision" in the above, although I am admittedly hard-pressed to know what the heck you ARE talking about.

However, I must also say that this idea of "sin nature" is one of the more deplorable of the notions religions bring.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I have no idea what John D Brey is going on about. Impure blood? Meiosis? Female seeds? Contamination? Sin-nature? Evil inclination?

What does any of this have to do with circumcision, clitoridectomy or any other surgery?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Female circumcision is the polar opposite of male circumcision. In male circumcision the flesh is discarded and the blood is pure; while in female circumcision the purified flesh is kept and the impure blood is discarded.

Female circumcision takes place when during meiosis and polar body, the female seed throws-off the contamination related to the sin-nature, and the evil inclination, into polar bodies that are washed out in the menstrual blood, leaving one uncontaminated pure (tamim) female seed. The contaminated polar bodies are washed out in the menstrual blood.

Unlike female meiosis where the contamination of the sin-nature is thrown-off through polar bodies in oogenesis, leaving one uncontaminated cell, in male meiosis no part of the reproductive cell is thrown off. Instead, the cells divides in order to halve the chromosomes such that the needed 46 are achieved through the combination of male and female seed.

Whereas the sin nature is throw-off through polar bodies in oogenesis, the male seed keeps all its material and splits into four sperm. Nothing is thrown-off in male meiosis (there's no oogenesis). Instead spermatogenesis keeps all the material, sinful or not, producing four serpent-like mini-leviathan.

The foregoing dictates (so to say) that after oogenesis the "seed of the woman" is pure, perfect (tamim) having gone through the biological mikveh (meiosis and polar body). ------If this perfect (tamim), "seed of the woman" begins to develop without acquiring the same poison that began the Fall of man, the semen, it will conceive a "perfect" human being such that the commandment to be "perfect" (tamim) will have been kept.

This gives us the key to understanding male circumcision (bris milah), since the flesh is discarded (symbolizing its contamination with sin) while the blood is pure, perfect (tamim).

The foreskin discarded in ritual circumcision represents the same thing as the polar-bodies discarded in oogenesis. The foreskin is the equivalent of the discarded polar-bodies such that we're left to wonder why the male blood is pure (tamim) while the female blood is contaminated with sin?

Remember that unlike the "seed of the woman" which is purified through the biological mikveh (oogenesis), the male reproductive seed keeps all its material and thus remains contaminated with sin-nature (spermatogenesis).

Since the male reproductive seed remains contaminated, the throwing-off of the flesh of the reproductive organ (the foreskin) can't represent the splitting of the male seed through oogenesis (which only occurs for the "seed of the woman") and can't represent the purification of the male seed (since all the material sinful or otherwise remains intact in the process of spermatogenesis) and thus can only represent a sacrificial act not associated with biology but with the volition of the sacrificer.

The blood of circumcision is perfect because it sacrifices the male seed before that seed can contaminated the perfected female seed such that the elimination of the flesh of the foreskin signifies Adam discarding with the sinful flesh prior to the conception of Cain.

Rabbi Kaplan's adages that circumcision somehow returns the Jew to Adam prior to the Fall is easily deciphered through even a basic understanding of the parallel between Jewish ritual and biological reality.

The problem is merely finding people who trust the word of God enough to know that every jot and tittle of the word of God is accurate and expresses itself in biology and physics as much as in word, deed, and ritual. The same semen that contaminates the sinful man contaminates his understanding of the sementics of the word of God.


John
This is about as goofy an OP as I've seen in quite awhile. So goofy it isn't even interesting.


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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Female circumcision is very harmful from a Biological view. Such a practice should be banned. If an adult wishes that to happen to themselves then fine, but on infants (unless for medical purposes) is quite unnecessary and harmful.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There are a few medical reasons that can sometimes justify male circumcision.
We've covered this so many times here.
I say you're repeating a myth based upon 3rd world hygiene statistics.
In well to do western countries, no one has yet presented any evidence
that it's beneficial enuf to be worth the risks & slight loss of function.
 

lovesong

:D
Premium Member
I'm the most adamant "intactivist" I've ever met, but I just don't have the willpower to go through this right now due to recent family tragedy. Just posting to get notifications so I remember to come back to this later. Beware my impending text wall!
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
There are a few medical reasons that can sometimes justify male circumcision.
If so, wait for those "medical reasons" to manifest themselves, and then ask the informed adult if he'd like to have it done. There are no "medical reasons" to circumcise an infant boy, or girl.

Cripes, if God didn't want you to have a foreskin, or a girl to have labia or a clitoris, why would they bloody well be there? (And since I'm an atheist, that question applies to "nature" as well as to God.)

(Full disclosure: I'm a circumcised male, the usual at birth thing they did in Canada when I was born.)
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Female circumcision is particularly nasty
But both male and female circumcision should be banned until the person being circumcised is old enough to make up their own mind, i.e. at least 16.

The actual cutting of flesh is ritualistic. It's a sign. It signifies something by means of the nature of the ritual. The message in question is dealing not with the ritual cutting, but with what that cutting signifies.



John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
No they are not polar opposites.
Female genital mutilations are usually far worse damage than male genital mutilations. But it's only a matter of degree, they are the same otherwise.
Circumcision is the mutilation of a human. People don't like how God made children so they take a knife to their privates. That's what circumcision is.
Tom

Ok.



John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
There are a few medical reasons that can sometimes justify male circumcision.
This is never the case with female circumcision. Which destroys ther sexual life and satisfaction for the rest of their life. Besides being both painful and dangerous. And illegal in civilised countries.

Religious or tribal tradition can never justify such a practice.

. . . Without religion and tribal tradition mankind is utterly and forever lost.


John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
I am quite sure that you are not discussing female "circumcision" in the above, although I am admittedly hard-pressed to know what the heck you ARE talking about.

However, I must also say that this idea of "sin nature" is one of the more deplorable of the notions religions bring.

The doctrine of original sin, the evil-inclination, and sin-nature are the bedrock of all meaningful theology.

In the thread seeder I'm talking not about the ritual cutting, but about what the ritual merely signifies. Perhaps it's necessary to know what male circumcision signifies prior to delving into female circumcision.



John
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
I have no idea what John D Brey is going on about. Impure blood? Meiosis? Female seeds? Contamination? Sin-nature? Evil inclination?

What does any of this have to do with circumcision, clitoridectomy or any other surgery?

. . . All of the cutting is symbolic. Someone might think that's a mighty violent symbol. But what's at stake makes the violence tame in relationship to what's being screamed at the top of an eight day old boy's lungs.


John
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The doctrine of original sin, the evil-inclination, and sin-nature are the bedrock of all meaningful theology.

In the thread seeder I'm talking not about the ritual cutting, but about what the ritual merely signifies. Perhaps it's necessary to know what male circumcision signifies prior to delving into female circumcision.



John

"The doctrine of original sin, the evil-inclination, and sin-nature," Only exist in the mind of Calvin's Theology. Male circumcision relates to Jewish theology, not Christian.
Circumcision is rare in the UK and much of Europe It is certainly not part of Christian practice. Most Doctors are not even taught how to do it here. it is not in their syllabus.
 
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