Fetal Consciousness

[BrightShadow]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You're obviously more concerned about the body than you are consciousness.

This proverb applies to you and all the cheerleaders who are cheering for abortion - because one side is trying to save lives and the other side advocating for destruction of life just to avoid inconvenience!
Whose intentions are good?

You still haven't responded to the question:
At what point do you believe it is no longer a bunch of cells?

By the way, if you are all about consciousness then don't fall into a state of dreamless sleep - otherwise someone might think you are just a bunch of cells. Most definitely avoid fainting or becoming comatose for any reason - that could be game over for you! No one will wait to see if you wake up!

Your definition of "consciousness" is subjective to our physical world. I am sure you have no clue regarding "inward awareness". Not everything is just biology! Feeling of "self preservation" doesn't just appear out of thin air. Not everyone and everything needs to communicate with you and tell you they want to live they want to grow! The gadget you are using to detect consciousness is quite crude IMO.

 

[Fool]

Maybe, but luckily we have 2 bodies (the woman and the unborn child) each body has its DNA its organs its blood etc.

Do you have any serious argument that shows beyond reasonable doubt that the fetus is part of the woman's body ?

Two consciousnesses can't inhabit one body

 

[Fool]

This proverb applies to you and all the cheerleaders who are cheering for abortion - because one side is trying to save lives and the other side advocating for destruction of life just to avoid inconvenience!
Whose intentions are good?

You still haven't responded to the question:
At what point do you believe it is no longer a bunch of cells?

By the way, if you are all about consciousness then don't fall into a state of dreamless sleep - otherwise someone might think you are just a bunch of cells. Most definitely avoid fainting or becoming comatose for any reason - that could be game over for you! No one will wait to see if you wake up!

Your definition of "consciousness" is subjective to our physical world. I am sure you have no clue regarding "inward awareness". Not everything is just biology! Feeling of "self preservation" doesn't just appear out of thin air. Not everyone and everything needs to communicate with you and tell you they want to live they want to grow! The gadget you are using to detect consciousness

You are projecting your emotions and beliefs on to something that isn't viable while criminalizing a viable human being..

LOVE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BELIEF

 

[Estro Felino]

In my country the abortion of a perfectly healthy baby is not allowed unless it is performed within the 15th week.

And even that, physicians have the right to be conscentious objectors: it deals with surgeons who have a special sensitivity and for the sake of their own convictions and psychological welfare, they are allowed to deny to perform abortions.

So...in some regions there is a very high number of objectors. So it is absolutely convenient for women to use contraceptives (whose use the State strongly encourages). Never to get pregnant.

 

[Sand Dancer]

You are projecting your emotions and beliefs on to something that isn't viable while criminalizing a viable human being..

LOVE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BELIEF

Jesus agreed.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

can a fetus have any kind of consciousness if the brain isn't formed enough to sense anything remotely?

4. Fetal pain is difficult to define.
A bit of biology that’s often used to restrict abortions is the claim that fetuses (which form at week 11 of pregnancy) feel pain.

“Pain is very complex,” Swartz says. “It requires not just a physical response, but the ability to suffer as a result.”

Knowing what a fetus experiences is impossible, but brain development studies provide some clues. The experience of pain starts with the senses detecting something noxious. Those signals then have to travel to the cortex, the outer layer of the brain that helps interpret that sensation. In human fetuses, those brain connections don’t exist until about week 24 or 25 of pregnancy. In guidelines written by members of the Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine, researchers write that these connections are necessary for the experience of pain, but are not sufficient on their own to conclude that pain is possible.

I've read of research done on those who suffered extensive brain damage - to the point where they should not feel pain - but they still feel pain.

I believe it is more complex than we are willing to believe.

 

[BrightShadow]

You are projecting your emotions and beliefs on to something that isn't viable while criminalizing a viable human being..

In your earlier posts - you kept on calling "it" a "bunch of cells". So, I asked you a question and you still haven't responded:
At what point do you believe it is no longer a bunch of cells?
A fetus can be considered viable after its 22nd week. So, at what point do you consider a fetus should be protected?
Do you believe a pregnant mother can terminate her pregnancy at any point before the baby takes his/her first breath?
Anyone willing to give the host a free pass to do what she wants with her pregnancy (total bodily autonomy) is misguided in my opinion. Their position is a biased one.

LOVE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BELIEF

Depends on what you mean by love and what you mean by belief!

No law can be perfect and just in the eyes of the offenders and their cheerleaders. Laws are written to assist and protect the majority or help keep a lid on a problem that can have dire consequences in the future if not addressed at a certain time. Laws cannot protect every situation fairly. There always be some unintended consequences.
A certain law can be beneficial to the vast majority but harmful to a tiny minority.
But when you consider the "greater good" a certain position can help attain - then it will lead you to a better place... a greater love!