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Few Observations

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I serve Jury duty. I've had to go to court. I have a passport. I have a driver license. If the government didn't inconvenience me all the time I could work two jobs.
None of those are comparable to being told you cannot return home.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
What Trump do.

If successful make America Great again.
If unsuccessful pull all Americans together again for the Next Election.

Sometimes you need to go through hardships to make a better future. Trump will be an example either way.

First off, I assume you meant "What will Trump do?" If this is the route our nation's literacy is at, then appointing a Secretary of Education that has no clue how to do her job is a terrible mistake.

So if Trump is successful, he'll "make America great again". How? If he is unsuccessful, he'll pull us all together? Likely not, as half the nation - such as yourself - cling to his every word and hail him a... how was it you put it? A godsend?

Hardships is one thing, but if your house is on fire you don't give it a chance. You don't wait to see what it'll do. You don't blame the floor for being flammable in the first place. You put the [REDACTED] fire out!
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The entire OP outlines it.
His crass disregard for procedure, policy, Constitution, rights, and liberties that have become apparent over his use of executive orders should have us all outraged, regardless of whether or not you agree with what he has done.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
His crass disregard for procedure, policy, Constitution, rights, and liberties that have become apparent over his use of executive orders should have us all outraged, regardless of whether or not you agree with what he has done.

What is different about what Tuump is doing than what Obama ,or do you object to what he did also?
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
The views in the OP are all over the place.
Nah, they are centered around one topic. If you are unable to comprehend the topic... well...

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:D
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What is different about what Tuump is doing than what Obama ,or do you object to what he did also?
Obama at least tried to reach across the border and heavily compromise his own positions to try to reach agreements with Republicans before resorting to executive orders. Trump hasn't even tried that. And Congress needs to hit him upside the head with the Constitution because he's going above their heads, being so reckless, and for making them look like a bunch of *****es. They need to reign him in now before it gets out of hand.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Obama at least tried to reach across the border and heavily compromise his own positions to try to reach agreements with Republicans before resorting to executive orders. Trump hasn't even tried that. And Congress needs to hit him upside the head with the Constitution because he's going above their heads, being so reckless, and for making them look like a bunch of *****es. They need to reign him in now before it gets out of hand.
Would you please explain your statement that President Trump has exceeded the powers granted to him by the Constitution. Which of his EO's has, in simple words, gone over the heads of Congress?
Here are the EO's as of Jan 28 2017
ACA rollback. waive requirements of the Affordable Care Act to the “maximum extent permitted by law.”
Regulation freeze. The president has frozen all regulations now in process (but not approved)
Abortion. President Trump has reinstated the so-called Mexico City policy
TPP. This memorandum withdraws the United States from all Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations and from signing the trade deal.
Federal hiring freeze
Speeding approval of Dakota Access and Keystone Oil Pipelines
Speeding up environmental reviews for all priority infrastructure
American steel in pipelines
Review manufacturing regulations
Deportations and sanctuary cities
Border wall. In this order, President Trump ordered agencies to begin planning and identify funding to build a wall
Reshaping the military.
Blocking refugees and all visitors from some countries. The president, in this order, has blocked entry by any Syrian refugee indefinitely and has frozen entry for most other refugees (the Refugee Admissions Program) for 120 days. Additionally, Mr. Trump put a 90-day freeze on entry by people whose countries are currently considered high terrorism risks.
Plan to fight ISIS. In this memorandum, the president has ordered that a new plan to fight the Islamic State be drafted within 30 days.
Reorganizing the top security councils.
Lobbyist bans

You can find more information about each one at where I got the information Every executive action President Trump has taken (so far)
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Would you please explain your statement that President Trump has exceeded the powers granted to him by the Constitution. Which of his EO's has, in simple words, gone over the heads of Congress?
Here are the EO's as of Jan 28 2017
ACA rollback. waive requirements of the Affordable Care Act to the “maximum extent permitted by law.”
Regulation freeze. The president has frozen all regulations now in process (but not approved)
Abortion. President Trump has reinstated the so-called Mexico City policy
TPP. This memorandum withdraws the United States from all Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiations and from signing the trade deal.
Federal hiring freeze
Speeding approval of Dakota Access and Keystone Oil Pipelines
Speeding up environmental reviews for all priority infrastructure
American steel in pipelines
Review manufacturing regulations
Deportations and sanctuary cities
Border wall. In this order, President Trump ordered agencies to begin planning and identify funding to build a wall
Reshaping the military.
Blocking refugees and all visitors from some countries. The president, in this order, has blocked entry by any Syrian refugee indefinitely and has frozen entry for most other refugees (the Refugee Admissions Program) for 120 days. Additionally, Mr. Trump put a 90-day freeze on entry by people whose countries are currently considered high terrorism risks.
Plan to fight ISIS. In this memorandum, the president has ordered that a new plan to fight the Islamic State be drafted within 30 days.
Reorganizing the top security councils.
Lobbyist bans

You can find more information about each one at where I got the information Every executive action President Trump has taken (so far)
Thanks for the list! I was starting to lose track. While I have you, what is your opinion on EOs as a whole? Or does it depend on the subject?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Thanks for the list! I was starting to lose track. While I have you, what is your opinion on EOs as a whole? Or does it depend on the subject?
Well, let me put it this way.
I voted for President Trump and I knew what he said he would do. That being the case I made the assumption that most of what he said was simple campaign talk....guess not. But since I voted for him guess I'm going to have to live with it. Saying that, there is only one issue that I have with one of his EO's and that is the one about the border wall. I am quite familiar with a lot of the southern border area. I think I know where a physical wall could be effective and in other places it can not, no make that should not be built. I think a combination of physical and "other" means of securing the border can be effective and in other areas it will be next to impossible. I'm a guest worker fan.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Well, let me put it this way.
I voted for President Trump and I knew what he said he would do. That being the case I made the assumption that most of what he said was simple campaign talk....guess not. But since I voted for him guess I 'm going to have to live with it. Saying that, there is only one issue that I have with one of his EO's and that is the one about the border wall. I am quite familiar with a lot of the southern border area. I think I know where a physical wall could be effective and in other places it can not, no make that should not be built. I think a combination of physical and "other" means of securing the border can be effective and in other areas it will be next to impossible. I'm a guest worker fan.
Some speculate that is going to be the plan anyway. You might get your wish!
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
Obama at least tried to reach across the border and heavily compromise his own positions to try to reach agreements with Republicans before resorting to executive orders. Trump hasn't even tried that. And Congress needs to hit him upside the head with the Constitution because he's going above their heads, being so reckless, and for making them look like a bunch of *****es. They need to reign him in now before it gets out of hand.

What he is doing is EXACTLY what Ob ams did and if you want to talk about the constitution, at least 3 of Obam's EO, were ruled unconstitutional. None of Trumps have been so far and they won't be.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Which of his EO's has, in simple words, gone over the heads of Congress?
Ideally, the president and congress are supposed to work together, not be off doing their own things. And, yes, his order to ban and deport permanent residents is a breech of Constitutional law because it is stripping American citizens of due process and punishing the innocent who have had no criminal charges brought before them.
 
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