Fighting with God

[Hockeycowboy]

"Jehovah" is not correct as there's no "J" sound in Hebrew

Hello @metis , hope you and yours are doing well.

When you touch this link, Psalms 83:18, it’s the 1611 KJV Bible you’re reading, so Jehovah has been accepted for quite awhile, way before JW’s were around.

Furthermore, do you read “Yehoshua” in your Bible, or “Joshua”?

Why? Because we speak English. Hence, we read Jeremiah, Jehoiada, Jehoshaphat, etc.

But Yahweh is fine, too.

Take care, my cousin.

 

[metis]

Hello @metis , hope you and yours are doing well.

We are, so thank you. Hopefully, it's the same with you & yours.

When you touch this link, Psalms 83:18, it’s the 1611 KJV Bible you’re reading, so Jehovah has been accepted for quite awhile, way before JW’s were around.

Furthermore, do you read “Yehoshua” in your Bible, or “Joshua”?

Why? Because we speak English. Hence, we read Jeremiah, Jehoiada, Jehoshaphat, etc.

The Hebrew "J" in the scriptures are pronounced as a "Y" in modern English, and then there's still the unknown vowels that were used.

Take care, my cousin.

You too, H.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Fighting with God = tilting at windmills.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Would not the 'name' refer to that given to Moses? In the petition is it God who sanctifies his own name, or man?

American Standard Version
“And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.”

 

[metis]

Jehovah

Nope. "YHWH".

You can't have it both ways.

 

[pearl]

“And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.”

God replied to Moses: I am who I am. Then he added: This is what you will tell the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you. Ex 3:14
The word “Jehovah” arose from a false reading of this name as it is written in the current Hebrew text. The Septuagint has egō eimi ho ōn, “I am the One who is” (ōn being the participle of the verb “to be”). This can be taken as an assertion of God’s aseity or self-existence, and has been understood as such by the Church, since the time of the Fathers, as a true expression of God’s being, even though it is not precisely the meaning of the Hebrew.

 

[pearl]

Who is that? Does He have a name?
“Our Father which art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name”

Just a curious question; You ask 'who' is that, but then you, in your form of the 'Our Father' prayer refer to Him as which. So are you asking 'what' is that?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Just a curious question; You ask 'who' is that, but then you, in your form of the 'Our Father' prayer refer to Him as which. So are you asking 'what' is that?

I don’t think it’s difficult… What name was Jesus referring to? And who does it represent?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Nope. "YHWH".

You can't have it both ways.

Then how do you pronounce 4 consonants?
(Maybe we shouldn’t say Joshua either?)

If that’s what you think, then tell the “American Standard Version” translators (who are dead now) and the “Divine Name KJV” translators (still living), who restored the Name to its rightful place, over 6800 times. I mean, it is His book.

Malachi 3:16 - how often do people (you included) ‘think upon His name’? It must be important!

Joel 2:32
Jerusalem Catholic Bible, at Joel 2:32, states “3:5 All who call on the name of Yahweh will be saved.”

As I said, Yahweh is fine with me. As long as it is used with respect.

 

[metis]

Then how do you pronounce 4 consonants?

No one knows for certain, even within Jewish circles. Ancient Hebrew is not exactly the same as modern Hebrew.

If that’s what you think, then tell the “American Standard Version” translators (who are dead now) and the “Divine Name KJV” translators (still living), who restored the Name to its rightful place, over 6800 times. I mean, it is His book.

The translators use names that people understand, which is why most use "God".

My wife is from Italy, and yet some words don't translate well into English, and ancient "Italian" is even harder yet because languages evolve.

Malachi 3:16 - how often do people (you included) ‘think upon His name’? It must be important!

It's a matter of paying respect, which can be done in many ways. I don't think anyone is likely to be condemned because (s)he didn't use the politically-correct name. Disrespecting the name may well be a different matter. Within Judaism, many use "haShem", "the Name", to make certain they don't disrespect God's most holy name.

Joel 2:32
Jerusalem Catholic Bible, at Joel 2:32, states “3:5 All who call on the name of Yahweh will be saved.”

As I said, Yahweh is fine with me. As long as it is used with respect.

Again, "Yahweh" is probably the closest we'll get, but only as an educated guess, as to what the full name may have sounded like. However, there's no guarantee that even this is technically correct.

Personally, I don't lose any sleep over it because I think there's much more serious matters that one should take into consideration, especially the question as to do we live out of Jesus' Two Commandments, namely to love God and also our neighbor, which is what he said is most important.

 

[Tom62]

Oh, now I see......you blame God for what his "priests" did to your kids? I am so sorry that happened to you and your children....
But I can tell you right now, God had nothing to do with what those "priests" did to your kids.....I believe that you are putting the blame where it does not belong. Those priests were disobeying God....which means that they were not his servants.....so how is it his fault? Blame the church for allowing it to keep happening. They knew all along what these offenders were doing, and just moved them on to new parishes to abuse more kids.

Your anger is well founded, but I believe that you are blaming the wrong party. That is what is sad to me. You threw the baby out with the filthy bath water. I assure you that those priests did not get away with anything.....God knows what they did and will hold them to account....but what about you?

I haven't seen a recent answer or post. hope you are doing ok?

 

[rational experiences]

If a human says who did wrong.

You think.

You think right back to the place where we believe a spiritual being changed its own purpose. To have caused burning as change.

If you were honest.

So consciously you place the spirit self not as the burning.

Burning blasting banging the creation.

We are not there as humans in that scenario.

So you quote a spiritual being caused it. Why?

How can just a human answer that question?

In reality by lots and lots of spiritual pre lived adult human experiences that allows an overview.

Over conscious we state.

So I learnt.

I learnt that the spiritual being that released creation had a purpose named mistake.

For since when would it want its own body to be changed.

So I was told the language spirit made the spiritual higher self wonder. As it manifested out of the surrounds and talking between the being in eternal was the spirit. Language.

The wonder was why it was different. As a being.

So research meant unnatural holding of sound within its owned body. OoooooGod was that holding. To find out where had it come from.

How and why it burst as natural surroundings was changed.

We were in the eternal as the being so we were consciously involved. We knew.

So when God O planet system evolved karma caused the heavens by refilled spatial plane to communicate to the eternal. The higher conscious being then Inherited new causes.

Beings became the bio life plus human so we were personally as dominated form in the image eternal being.

Why we owned dominion over our creation.

Which is why man can be so evil by his own choice. So after so many earth human life attacks by satanic blasting science it is now the onus of humans to stop them. Choices.

Pretty basic advice why human law was invented when natural family was living for.mutual success.

 

[Tom62]

Yahu was found in the Elephantine papyrus.

 

[metis]

Yahu was found in the Elephantine papyrus.

Welcome to RF!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

….his servants are evil

That’s what Jesus said:
Matthew 7:22,23

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Fighting with God"

Fighting with God is akin to fighting with shadows, demons, ghosts. How can one fight with non-existent things, imaginary monsters?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Fighting with God is akin to fighting with shadows, demons, ghosts. How can one fight with non-existent things, imaginary monsters?

Many atheists seem to spend an inordinate amount of time doing exactly that. It has been suggested that God loves atheists, because they never stop talking about him. Witness how they flock to this forum, to argue endlessly about what they consider to be non-existent things.

 

[Wu Wei]

Sorry for the particularly unusual title.
I was wondering why we Catholics pray to Jesus and Mary (Mary, especially) more than God.

Well...it is not that simple to explain. We think of God as that distant, cold Almighty Being who left us alone when he decided to give us free will.
That is why Evolution works like a charm for us.
It is the evidence that God has never cared and never will. Nature evolves regardless of God.
Whereas some Protestants won't accept Evolution, because they love God more than us.



And I will conclude by quoting a passage from The Thorn Birds. By C. Mc Collough.

Oh, dear God, dear God! No, not dear God! What's God ever done for me, except deprive me of Ralph? We're not too fond of each other, God and I. And do You know something, God? You don't frighten me the way You used to. How much I feared You, your punishment! All my life I've trodden the straight and narrow, from fear of You. And what's it got me? Not one scrap more than if I'd broken every rule in Your book. You're a fraud, God, a demon of fear. You treat us like children, dangling punishment. But you don't frighten me anymore. Because it isn't Ralph I ought to be hating, it's You. It's all Your fault's. Not poor Ralph's. He's just living in fear of you, the way I always have. That he could love You is something I can't understand. I don't see what there is about You to love.


I confess it is like I wrote that myself. The author is portraying a Catholic's thoughts, after all.
The thoughts of a woman who cannot have the man she loves because he dedicated his life to God.

That was confusing….

Doesn’t the catholic church believe in the holy trinity… father, son and holy ghost

Oh, and protestants prey to Jesus too, some groups more than others

 

[Aupmanyav]

It has been suggested that God loves atheists, because they never stop talking about him. Witness how they flock to this forum, to argue endlessly about what they consider to be non-existent things.

Our love does not mean anything to God. He has reserved places for us in his eternal hell. Some, he would not even raise from dead.
Judgment sans hearing.

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Sorry for the particularly unusual title.
I was wondering why we Catholics pray to Jesus and Mary (Mary, especially) more than God.

Well...it is not that simple to explain. We think of God as that distant, cold Almighty Being who left us alone when he decided to give us free will.
That is why Evolution works like a charm for us.
It is the evidence that God has never cared and never will. Nature evolves regardless of God.
Whereas some Protestants won't accept Evolution, because they love God more than us.



And I will conclude by quoting a passage from The Thorn Birds. By C. Mc Collough.

Oh, dear God, dear God! No, not dear God! What's God ever done for me, except deprive me of Ralph? We're not too fond of each other, God and I. And do You know something, God? You don't frighten me the way You used to. How much I feared You, your punishment! All my life I've trodden the straight and narrow, from fear of You. And what's it got me? Not one scrap more than if I'd broken every rule in Your book. You're a fraud, God, a demon of fear. You treat us like children, dangling punishment. But you don't frighten me anymore. Because it isn't Ralph I ought to be hating, it's You. It's all Your fault's. Not poor Ralph's. He's just living in fear of you, the way I always have. That he could love You is something I can't understand. I don't see what there is about You to love.


I confess it is like I wrote that myself. The author is portraying a Catholic's thoughts, after all.
The thoughts of a woman who cannot have the man she loves because he dedicated his life to God.

Great title!

It harkens back to the 500 year old history of Catholicism here in America.