Finding excuses to hate Muslims?

[GodlessHeathen]

At least I know you and I are cool

I don't know you very well, but from what I've seen you seem to be a good person. We need more like you.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Good Muslims never get publicity. I like the approach of Quranism. They get no publicity either.

Very well said. Now, out of ~1.5 billion, how many can we imagine get publicity? I think the point is clear here

 

[Smart_Guy]

I don't know you very well, but from what I've seen you seem to be a good person. We need more like you.

Sorry, I have a girl friend.

Just kidding

 

[Sakeenah]

" From Hinduism to the Monotheisms through to Socrates,Plato and Aristotle, the common message is that we are all, naturally and potentially inclined to reject the other and to be intolerant and racist.Left to our own devices and our own emotions, we can be deaf,blind,dogmatic, closed and xenophobic: we are not born open-minded, respectful and pluralist. We become so through personal effort, education,self-mastery and knowledge."

(Tariq Ramadan)

 

[psychoslice]

Hate is and always will be a to way street.

 

[Owneh]

I have no quarrels with Islam whatsoever, but saying people ACTIVELY look for excuses to hate Islam/Muslims is down right wrong. The majority of terrorists are from an Islamic background, and whilst the tiniest of minorities are the ones who take part in such atrocities, their religion is often a talking point and the reason why lesser educated people hate Islam as a religion. They don't actively look for an excuse, they are given reasons (however ****ed up and wrong).

 

[psychoslice]

We all hate what we don't like or that which doesn't apply to us, and this happens in all religions, be that Muslims, Christians and so on.....to me the remedy is to stop believing that you and you alone are right, to truly realize that you and your beliefs are not the truth of all there is, but to realize that your beliefs are just that, your beliefs, they don't in anyway make the world what it is, and all they do is make your world confusing, and this is what religion does to you, just makes everything confusing..........but of course you believe your not confused, that you know it all.........hence the problem.

 

[Owneh]

We all hate what we don't like or that which doesn't apply to us, and this happens in all religions, be that Muslims, Christians and so on.....to me the remedy is to stop believing that you and you alone are right, to truly realize that you and your beliefs are not the truth of all there is, but to realize that your beliefs are just that, your beliefs, they don't in anyway make the world what it is, and all they do is make your world confusing, and this is what religion does to you, just makes everything confusing..........but of course you believe your not confused, that you know it all.........hence the problem.

I disagree. I think religion gives a direction and answers a lot of questions at face value and gives simple answers. Religion usually doesn't hold up when you probe further into the questions, but I think religion eradicates confusion a lot more than it creates it. If you believe you know something then you are not confused, unanswered questions create confusion, not incorrectly answered questions.

 

[psychoslice]

I disagree. I think religion gives a direction and answers a lot of questions at face value and gives simple answers. Religion usually doesn't hold up when you probe further into the questions, but I think religion eradicates confusion a lot more than it creates it. If you believe you know something then you are not confused, unanswered questions create confusion, not incorrectly answered questions.

Thanks, but I certainly don't agree, I think religion adds confusion, and what religion tells you is truly make believe, no matter if you agree or not.

 

[Owneh]

Thanks, but I certainly don't agree, I think religion adds confusion, and what religion tells you is truly make believe, no matter if you agree or not.

But it doesn't matter if it's make believe or not.

If I bring my kid up on my own, with no external infleunces, and tell him 2+2=5, is he confused? No. He believe's its 5, confusion doesn't take into account if the answer is right or not, only certainty.

I might just be being pedantic, but I don't think confusion is the right word for you to use in this suation.

 

[psychoslice]

But it doesn't matter if it's make believe or not.

If I bring my kid up on my own, with no external infleunces, and tell him 2+2=5, is he confused? No. He believe's its 5, confusion doesn't take into account if the answer is right or not, only certainty.

I might just be being pedantic, but I don't think confusion is the right word for you to use in this suation.

No confusion isn't what the one who is conditioned to believe in whatever religion, that is because they don't see it as confusion, of course they believe what they believe to be a fact, but behind that fact is confusion, they just haven't realized it, and that is all.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

I have never once met an individual who claims to bash a religion but not it's followers, actually like the followers. They form an innate hatred but then try hiding behind pseudo-intellectual rubbish.

 

[Gharib]

I have never once met an individual who claims to bash a religion but not it's followers, actually like the followers. They form an innate hatred but then try hiding behind pseudo-intellectual rubbish.

Or in other words, grown-ups call that 'childish nonsense', something which children don't comprehend.

 

[LuisDantas]

I have never once met an individual who claims to bash a religion but not it's followers, actually like the followers. They form an innate hatred but then try hiding behind pseudo-intellectual rubbish.

I must therefore conclude you have a poor understanding of the critics of Islam, then.

 

[LuisDantas]

Good Muslims never get publicity. I like the approach of Quranism. They get no publicity either.

Would you be so kind as to describe Quranism and tell me a bit about why you welcome it?

To the best of my understanding, it is simply emphasizing the text of the Quran, presumably at the expense of most or all Hadiths and perhaps of individual understandings.

That would probably be a good thing if it were established that the Quran is indeed an infallible guide towards religious wisdom. That is however both counter-intuitive and difficult to reconcile with known facts such as the very existence of the Hadiths that are so fiercely blamed for the shortcomings of Islam.

 

[blue taylor]

Would you be so kind as to describe Quranism and tell me a bit about why you welcome it?

To the best of my understanding, it is simply emphasizing the text of the Quran, presumably at the expense of most or all Hadiths and perhaps of individual understandings.

That would probably be a good thing if it were established that the Quran is indeed an infallible guide towards religious wisdom. That is however both counter-intuitive and difficult to reconcile with known facts such as the very existence of the Hadiths that are so fiercely blamed for the shortcomings of Islam.

Just look it up.

 

[LuisDantas]

You refusal to clarify your claim is noted.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Dunno, but for some reason I feel like some members are doing it to fire back for having the same thing happen to their religions or belief system (or lack of it); e.g.Christianity and atheism. They seem to choose to fight instead of reporting what they see offensive, or try to reason with it and win arguments.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

This is what I seriously don't get. I feel like some people are trying to justify hating Muslims As if that makes sense because you can't justify hatred anyway. People do everything from looking at the news, to pointing out verses in the Quran or looking at history as what some terrible Muslims did

First off, those verses were written quite a long time ago, some are taken out of context or not followed the same way and were written by multiple people anyway and the news is not justification because those terrorists make up less than 1% of all Muslims and not all Muslims believe in the same thing.

Another thing is they keep thinking all Muslims are the same because they read the Quran. What sense does that make? That's like saying all Christians are the same because they read the Bible. There's different version and some Christian interpret verses differently. Otherwise there probably wouldn't be multiple branches within Islam

People will look at history but the terrible Muslims that did that are no longer around and that harming the descendants doesn't make sense. Don't punish the descendants for what the ancestors did

And I guess Muslims don't say anything bad about terrorists...except that they do and some are actually fighting against them overseas but I guess that doesn't count right? I mean, I feel like I entered into a topsy turvey dimension here. What happened here? Do people not see what's in front of them or realize there are good Muslims as well as bad?

Every time I do realize there are good Muslims, I'm labeled as a "pro Muslim supporter" and they act as if just because I know there are good Muslims, that must mean I love everything in the Quran and love every Muslim, even the bad ones. For one thing, even though I'm not a Muslim and I am a Druid, and even though there are some things in the Quran I disagree with, I can actually see good things in it and I can see the good Muslims, unlike the others who seem to just watch the news and read two pages of the Quran and come to the conclusion that every Muslim is bad and is a terrorist and that the good Muslims but not only say that the Muslim terrorists are bad, but I guess they want the good Muslims to do something about it, as if they expect every Muslim to drop what they are doing, leave their families and defeat the terrorists.

And these bashers will claim they don't hate Muslims and that they hate the idea of Islam, even though they show distrust and dislike of Muslims...and whenever one bad Muslim does something they just say "Well that's the Muslim way," even after saying that they didn't hate every Muslim. What kind logic is this? Anyone notice this?

I'm just sick and tired of all this bashing because these people choose to revel in their ignorance instead of actually getting some experience and getting to know good Muslims, like I have.

Hate is a strong word. I just don't want to be subject to living any theocracy, much less under one where every Muslim is required to establish and maintain Sharia Law. And the fact there are so many rabid female Muslims when they're treated so badly, tells me how complete their indoctrination is.

 

[First Baseman]

I don't know you very well, but from what I've seen you seem to be a good person. We need more like you.

I agree. Smart Guy is a cool, kind soul.