Finding excuses to hate Muslims?

[Theweirdtophat]

Hate is a strong word. I just don't want to be subject to living any theocracy, much less under one where every Muslim is required to establish and maintain Sharia Law. And the fact there are so many rabid female Muslims when they're treated so badly, tells me how complete their indoctrination is.

There are some Muslim countries that don't follow Sharia Law. Some will follow it all the way, while some take bits and pieces of it and some won't really follow, or at least, enforce it. Lots of Muslim countries are different from each other. The Muslims in Iran will not be the same as the ones from Kazakstan and so forth.

 

[icehorse]

I have never once met an individual who claims to bash a religion but not it's followers, actually like the followers. They form an innate hatred but then try hiding behind pseudo-intellectual rubbish.

Critical thinkers understand that they need to be able to change their minds. Speaking for myself, I hope to help Muslims change their minds about Islam. No hatred of Muslims whatsoever.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I agree. Smart Guy is a cool, kind soul.

Oh gosh, stop it you

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

There are some Muslim countries that don't follow Sharia Law. Some will follow it all the way, while some take bits and pieces of it and some won't really follow, or at least, enforce it. Lots of Muslim countries are different from each other. The Muslims in Iran will not be the same as the ones from Kazakstan and so forth.

Yes, there are differences as to what is criminal and what the right punishment. But every Muslim is bound to promote a theocratic system using this from the Quran as the ultimate imperative:

Quran (9:29):
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

We can't ignore the fact that Islam, after all, means "submission". The submission of the world, first, last and always, is its goal.

 

[LuisDantas]

There are some Muslim countries that don't follow Sharia Law. Some will follow it all the way, while some take bits and pieces of it and some won't really follow, or at least, enforce it. Lots of Muslim countries are different from each other. The Muslims in Iran will not be the same as the ones from Kazakstan and so forth.

That is one more reason to fear the spread of Islam, though. It hints that the problems it causes have not yet fully developed.

 

[LuisDantas]

Dunno, but for some reason I feel like some members are doing it to fire back for having the same thing happen to their religions or belief system (or lack of it); e.g.Christianity and atheism. They seem to choose to fight instead of reporting what they see offensive, or try to reason with it and win arguments.

There are core flaws that must be addressed. It is not a matter of "getting back" really.

 

[Smart_Guy]

There are core flaws that must be addressed. It is not a matter of "getting back" really.

Perhaps It's just that you're the one being too king and giving them the benefit of the doubt

 

[LuisDantas]

That... is not something I expect to read, really.

 

[Smart_Guy]

It's human nature. We do sometimes misjudge others, either in the good or in the bad. We're talking about so many people here to just suppose they are all just wanting to address flaws and not wanting to just express negativity. Besides, many already had their posts deleted and given warnings for stuff like that already, right?

 

[blue taylor]

You refusal to clarify your claim is noted.

You could look it up.

 

[LuisDantas]

You could look it up.

Is that your way of saying that I will know and learn so much better of my own that it is pointless to expect you to be helpful?

Or are you perhaps attempting to imply that I did not ever "look it up"?

Either way... come on, be reasonable.

 

[blue taylor]

http://www.quranists.net/ This is all I know, and a few documentaries I've watched. Quranists are considered heretics by other Muslims.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Critical thinkers understand that they need to be able to change their minds. Speaking for myself, I hope to help Muslims change their minds about Islam. No hatred of Muslims whatsoever.

And what would you change their mind to?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

And what would you change their mind to?

To be seekers of Truth via reason, not ancient virulent hearsay.

 

[icehorse]

And what would you change their mind to?

I would want them to reject: supremacism, misogyny, theocracy, homophobia, and anti-semitism. That would be a fine start.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

I would want them to reject: supremacism, misogyny, theocracy, homophobia, and anti-semitism. That would be a fine start.

Like I said, Truth via reason.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

As I understand it, there are at least two things upon which all Muslims agree:

- The Quran is the perfect, timeless, unalterable word of Allah.
- Muhammad was Allah's messenger, and he should be considered the perfect role model.

Does anyone disagree with those two ideas?

I'm a Muslim. And whilst I do believe that the Qur'aan is Perfect and the Word of Allaah, I don't believe that it is timeless in the sense that everything in it applies to all time and every place. Similarly, Muhammad (s) was indeed Allaah's Messenger and a very good role model, but we shouldn't imitate him. Moreover, there are aspects of his example that are universal and aspects of his example that were more appropriate to the time, society and place in which he lived.

 

[icehorse]

I'm a Muslim. And whilst I do believe that the Qur'aan is Perfect and the Word of Allaah, I don't believe that it is timeless in the sense that everything in it applies to all time and every place. Similarly, Muhammad (s) was indeed Allaah's Messenger and a very good role model, but we shouldn't imitate him. Moreover, there are aspects of his example that are universal and aspects of his example that were more appropriate to the time, society and place in which he lived.

I sincerely applaud your more nuanced views.

 

[blue taylor]

I'm a Muslim. And whilst I do believe that the Qur'aan is Perfect and the Word of Allaah, I don't believe that it is timeless in the sense that everything in it applies to all time and every place. Similarly, Muhammad (s) was indeed Allaah's Messenger and a very good role model, but we shouldn't imitate him. Moreover, there are aspects of his example that are universal and aspects of his example that were more appropriate to the time, society and place in which he lived.

And about the Hadiths?

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

I would want them to reject: supremacism, misogyny, theocracy, homophobia, and anti-semitism. That would be a fine start.

Supremacism?

Why are muslims, in your opinion, more misogynistic then non muslims?

Are muslims really anti-semitic? If so, where is the evidence? Considering it's obvious you are talking in a general sense and not with regards to minority groups.