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Firearms Training
- Thread starter McBell
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Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Too many to actually count. Unless you mean a very specific kind of fire arms training focused specifically on hand guns in a civil range conditions or other hand gun training offered in the civil world. Training which is recognized and counted outside a military system I suppose.
My firearms experience comes from regular army service training and then over a decade of reserve duties. Mostly assault rifles, light machine guns, 0.5 caliber heavy machine gun, Mk 19 automatic grenade launcher, LAW shoulder missiles, a little bit of RPG, light mortar, a range of hand grenades, etc.
My main personal weapon was the Israeli made Negev light machine gun (LMG), and then the M16 carbine.
Impossible to count. (I competed all thru high school. Did small bore & hi power.)
That's hard to say. If I exclude range time, boy scout merit badge stuff, and the certificate to get a license in MA, then most of my training is with dummy guns or airsoft in seminars, classes, etc., in my krav maga studio or nearby events. The rest consists of usually week long courses at places like gunsite, blackwater (now called academi), and so forth in tactical pistol, tactical carbine, CQB with a pistol, entries in various conditions (low-light, no light, solo vs. team, etc.), close protection (one a high risk course), and so on. However, a lot of these courses cost something like a grand or two, so I try to do a couple every year. Each one typically consists of something like 40-50 hours total, but unlike local seminars, guest instructors at the studio, etc., each day builds on the previous and the instructors are all either ex-special ops, SWAT, or federal response teams.
Basically, how many hours I've had depends on what counts as training.
Would that include CQB training on disarms, weapon retention, threat assessment, and other areas of training that involve dummy firearms?
McBell
Unbound
I would include any courses that met state requirements to carry as "official" training.
hmmm...
I personally do not consider them firearm training, however, I can see where they could, and maybe even should be.
Where would you get "officially recognized" training if you've never been in the military or law enforcement? I've been interested in target shooting for a while, but have absolutely no idea where to start or how I could possibly afford it.
McBell
Unbound
The State of Michigan requires an "official" firearm training course in order to get a conceal carry permit.
That means that the state of Michigan does not accept just any course.
There are a few other states that have the same or similar requirement.
So any course that would meet a states requirement for permit issue would be considered "official" training.
In fact, there are a lot of firearms training classes and courses that advertise "accepted in 30 states"...
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
McBell
Unbound
I have family and friends who were into hunting and shooting ranges.
I made mention to them that I might be interested and they started inviting me along to their shooting range trips.
I would strongly recommend you see if anyone you know has some fire arms and ask if you can fire theirs before you go out and purchase one.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, don't complain to us about it.Having a penis of adequate size.....
You're the one who shirked his training regimen.
I would tend to agree with you (if it doesn't shoot at all, it's hard to call it firearm training). I do find it interesting that any training we've done (or training I've done elsewhere) with rubber-like training pistols beats the training I did to qualify. It was two days, one day of going over laws and other vital info, the next mostly on safety and finally shooting maybe a dozen rounds in the last 10 minutes.
There are a few top notch places. I think the best is Academi (one of the blackwater companies and originally the only one; their target company, contractor company, etc., came later). It's not just that that it's the size of a military base and with at least as many training environments (some open to any, others to LE/Security/etc., and others even more restricted). It's not even the fact that any course you take is likely to have 3 trainers at least one of which was an operator (Special forces, SEALs, Rangers, etc.) or in a tactical unit like SWAT. It's that the entire thing was built from the start for training the then "East Coast SEALs" (team 1). It is still used to train US military, US federal tactical teams, LE tactical units (Virginia Beach SWAT used to be there all the time). Although often these courses are separate from those open to anybody, often even courses that don't require any background or clearance will have novices, police, ex-military, etc. I know for me, the first time I went some of my fellow trainees helped me as least as much as the instructors, because the trainers have to move from person to person, but all you need is for a teammate on your left or right to know a bit more than you for some help.
The other biggie is Gunsite. I've heard the qualify has gone down a bit since some key personnel left, but I can't say if that's so.
Then it depends on when you live. The Sig Sauer academy is not far from MA, whereas Thunder Ranch is. I have folks in Co. and that's where Valhalla is.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Sure, if you plan to take out only one person, using a sniper rifle, in ideal conditions. Or if you are Lucky Luke I guess. But not if you plan to survive combat. :yes:A good shot only needs one bullet in their muzzle loader.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Hey, it satisfies me. What more should one expect?
I don't think I can be sure how to come up with a number of hours of training that started with gun safety classes that were state recognised safe hunter courses during my childhood, gunsmithing as a teen, military training, teaching classes, Valhalla, Gunsite, as well as several Suarez weekend classes from airsoft to point shooting to automatic weapon training.
Does active combat with an M16 count? I did two tours in Vietnam.
How about shooting competitions?
Does active combat with an M16 count? I did two tours in Vietnam.
How about shooting competitions?
gunnerjacky
New Member
Getting few hours of firearm safety training won't be enough. For that, a person has to have training in firearms for days. I have got my firearm training in Boston for 7 days. In those 7 days I was trained very rigorously on many types of weapons and techniques which included - cover and fire, moving object target, reloading, gun maintenance etc.
Greetings, new guy!
That seems a reasonable amount of training for a CCW/CPL.