First Cause

[sandy whitelinger]

But that ignores the possibility of there being some wider environment in which our universe (from singularity to now and beyond) exists,

Where the Flying Spaghetti Monster lives?

 

[HonestJoe]

Where the Flying Spaghetti Monster lives?

Unlikely but not impossible.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Unlikely but not impossible.

Let's try a bad paraphrase:

In the beginning everything existed together. In this alltogether a world was conceived and all the rest was darkness; without form, and void. And the spirit of cause and effect moved on the alltogether and there was light. The light separated from the darkness and behold! there was a little tiny universe.

 

[HonestJoe]

Let's try a bad paraphrase:

In the beginning everything existed together. In this alltogether a world was conceived and all the rest was darkness; without form, and void. And the spirit of cause and effect moved on the alltogether and there was light. The light separated from the darkness and behold! there was a little tiny universe.

I’m not clear what the purpose of you writing that is though. It strikes me as too poetic and unspecific to be any kind of clear hypothesis for the origins of the universe and we have the problem of only having words coined for things within the universe to try to describe possible things and concepts outside or beyond it.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I’m not clear what the purpose of you writing that is though. It strikes me as too poetic and unspecific to be any kind of clear hypothesis for the origins of the universe and we have the problem of only having words coined for things within the universe to try to describe possible things and concepts outside or beyond it.

I'm not a physicist. Anything past trigonometry baffles me but I'm pretty good with English so this is the simplest most comprehensive example I have of explaining the concept.

Please let me know how it violates what we know about the natural world. Perhaps then I could use some inconprehesible language to describe it. Maybe I'll speak it in tongues.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't believe he was asking about the singularity. Technically I think the state of the early universe was plasma.

The state of the universe is unknown during the planck epoch.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

...we have the problem of only having words coined for things within the universe to try to describe possible things and concepts outside or beyond it.

Or maybe within it as well.

 

[ChristineM]

Why do you say that?

See my post #46 First Cause

Seems it was ignored

 

[sandy whitelinger]

The state of the universe is unknown during the planck epoch.

Then maybe "goo" was a better term.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

See my post #46 First Cause

Seems it was ignored

Gotcha. Thank you. I had a suspicion that cause and effect may not have begun at the beginning.

 

[HonestJoe]

I'm not a physicist. Anything past trigonometry baffles me but I'm pretty good with English so this is the simplest most comprehensive example I have of explaining the concept.

But why are you trying to explain the concept in the first place? It should be clear I’m fully aware of this kind of idea as a possible basis for the existence of the universe and I think I’ve made clear that in this area I accept anything as possible but nothing as certain. If you’re trying to convince me of something being certain (or even more likely than any alternative), you would need more technical detail (to be honest, probably more than either of us are capable of, certainly here).

 

[sandy whitelinger]

But why are you trying to explain the concept in the first place? It should be clear I’m fully aware of this kind of idea as a possible basis for the existence of the universe and I think I’ve made clear that in this area I accept anything as possible but nothing as certain. If you’re trying to convince me of something being certain (or even more likely than any alternative), you would need more technical detail (to be honest, probably more than either of us are capable of, certainly here).

You keep asking the questions. I'm just answering them.

 

[ChristineM]

Then maybe "goo" was a better term.

Unknown. Is it difficult?

 

[ChristineM]

Gotcha. Thank you. I had a suspicion that cause and effect may not have begun at the beginning.

What has gotcha to do with the fact i told you?

 

[syo]

God first, universe after. God is the first cause.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

What has gotcha to do with the fact i told you?

I meant I understood now, not caught you on something.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Unknown. Is it difficult?

Is what difficult?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

God first, universe after. God is the first cause.

Have you followed my thread. I'm postulating that cause and effect did not happen until after the universe began. Therefore there was no cause that changed the singularity into the universe. God must have played another role.

 

[syo]

cause and effect did not happen until after the universe began

that's wrong.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

that's wrong.

"Splain," said Ricky to Lucy.