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First corporations are people. Now who wants robotics to have granted rights?

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Who Wants to Grant Robots Rights?

Granting robots rights and power is a recipe for disaster imv.

Yet I think at some point its going to happen.

I wonder what kind of society will emerge if robotics are granted rights and let us not exclude AI as well.

To me, it's pretty scary stuff.
 

Stevicus

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Who Wants to Grant Robots Rights?

Granting robots rights and power is a recipe for disaster imv.

Yet I think at some point its going to happen.

I wonder what kind of society will emerge if robotics ate granted rights and let us not exclude AI as well.

To me, it's pretty scary stuff.

Well, the article notes possible reasons for granting rights to robots:

2.2 Reasons for Granting Robots Rights
Many (combinations of) reasons have been put forward for granting robots rights. Miller (2015) maintains that robots “with capacity for human-level sentience, consciousness, and intelligence” should be considered entities that “warrant the same rights as those of biological humans.” Tavani (2018) thinks that a robot should have consciousness, intentionality, rationality, personhood, autonomy, and sentience to be eligible for rights. Strikingly, many of these properties are requirements for moral personhood. Laukyte (2019) states that the increasing autonomy, intelligence, perceptiveness, and empathy of robots shift our view away from robots as mere tools. These are among the main reasons for granting robots rights. Based on a review of the literature, we have tried to identify the main reasons that have been discussed so far (see Table 2).

Are there any robots with capacity for human-level sentience, consciousness, and intelligence? Has AI reached that level yet? It's a popular trope in science fiction, but it seems we're still a very long way before someone is able to build a Commander Data.

Another side of this is, how much do we really know and understand how the human mind actually works? Do we know enough to be able to replicate it technologically?
 

Brickjectivity

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Granting robots rights and power is a recipe for disaster imv.

Yet I think at some point its going to happen.

I wonder what kind of society will emerge if robotics are granted rights and let us not exclude AI as well.

To me, it's pretty scary stuff.
Any AI above a certain level should be outlawed, unless society becomes highly skilled in understanding AI. I am fine with intelligent chat bots and droids that do house chores. I am not fine with AI that is able to be a friend. Those are taking on human qualities, and we will abuse them. What I am saying is that to prevent infinite cruelty, we should limit AI with mammalian ability to reason, feel, experience. Will we? Probably not.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
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Well with AI going the way it is. This is a good start at recognizing them as thinking persons.
There's the rub! You could go way back to Alan Turing's "Turing Test" to decide whether an answer comes from a mechanism or a living being. But I'm not sure we know, yet, how to determine whether a machine is, or might be, "conscious." I think we need to do the necessary work to figure that one out.

 

Shaul

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Any artificial intelligence that can’t pass as a human doesn’t deserve the recognition. Any artificial intelligence that can pass a a human doesn’t need it.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Any AI above a certain level should be outlawed, unless society becomes highly skilled in understanding AI. I am fine with intelligent chat bots and droids that do house chores. I am not fine with AI that is able to be a friend. Those are taking on human qualities, and we will abuse them. What I am saying is that to prevent infinite cruelty, we should limit AI with mammalian ability to reason, feel, experience. Will we? Probably not.
I think one of the most prudent examples today is COMPAS, where the ai pretty much determines the fate of criminals. Of course it's human approved, but I think it's actually rubber stamped, essentially leaving the ai in full charge of a person's fate.

Giving such intelligence 'rights' would be essentially be a watershed moment.
 

rational experiences

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In bio conscious as sentience feeling.

A human warns themselves about what replacing biologies natural history on earth as life and human bio movement means.

Our non ability to exist or live beyond their human designed manifested machine body presence to take our place.

As human greed rich men is historic the criminal organisation working against natural bio life on earth.

Exactly stated.

Rich men's lie. I used family to slave build my empires.

Now they are a nuisance.

Everything costs me.

In reality nature.... money trade doesn't exist. Nature does. Money itself is fake.

Man's evilest lie.

Now says I can save money by giving robots the control of my technology.

So eventually robots will be making robots. No human will be involved.

Yet technology itself depends on men and metallurgical alchemic beginnings. Earths mass.

So if we all die and only specially organised rich humans live. Whose going to do the mining? I suppose robots.

Is the rich man's dream.

So everyday the human asks where is my employment to make fake money to live buy food that nature supplies first for me?

Greedy rich man cares less. Plots how to control or eradicate humanity all the time. Is his true human behaviour.

Mining earths mass until it no longer exists...robots don't eat food they consume resources only.

I must think about how I then will grow food artificially. All themes future destruction realised already. About a robot technology future.

Is the exact moment we live today thinking what to support as a human.

Already no equal mutual life sharing or need of human membership has allowed humanity no sense of value naturally.

Rich man introduced all of these inherited life problems himself.

If he allowed everyone a mutual lifestyle food supply equality. He would need to give up his.

His choice he states amongst his community.... as he seems to think he's a God. As a human or maybe he's an alien he says. He can't make up his mind if man or machine should control life on earth.

When he decides he is just a human only we might win.

If he says he's AI then he expects by his design machine only to be existing by AI terms only.... designer man in a future he controls as a dead man he will become in bio reality. Thinker now only life.

Which advised says no human life at all on earth by his say so.

Why human consciousness and conscious bio psychic predictions was important advice.

When men started having sex with robot machines was the moment humans were notified procreation of our species isn't viable by the emerging technology of man.

So we started making movies to scare us into realising before it's too late.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Premise. Rich man invests for invention makes him lots of money.

He can disregard invention and claim I've now made my money. Is about money only.

Now I want more money. I need new inventions.
Who cares if old invention is destroyed.

Human known psyche advised warning was about human only behaviours. Exact. Human greed.

Civilisation choices are not natural anything. Based on human status only.

Wants new money to amass.

The Need to save us and due to old technology warnings.

About rich greedy men.

Statement AI he says listening already is more intelligent than man.

Reasoned he is aware of the advice. Doesn't heed advice.

Ice cools mass before human bio mind living consciously in a warmed water oxygen life mind.

Is his answer AI is better at answers than his bio answers.....seeing a conscious spiritual man invented invisible Ai himself. No longer man bio consciously spiritual.
 

Heyo

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Any AI above a certain level should be outlawed, unless society becomes highly skilled in understanding AI. I am fine with intelligent chat bots and droids that do house chores. I am not fine with AI that is able to be a friend. Those are taking on human qualities, and we will abuse them. What I am saying is that to prevent infinite cruelty, we should limit AI with mammalian ability to reason, feel, experience. Will we? Probably not.
And I know where those "friendly" robots will be used first: as war machines. The military is funding a lot of AI research and they will find a way to circumvent laws and regulations.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
There's the rub! You could go way back to Alan Turing's "Turing Test" to decide whether an answer comes from a mechanism or a living being. But I'm not sure we know, yet, how to determine whether a machine is, or might be, "conscious." I think we need to do the necessary work to figure that one out.

Earths mass was created in out of space pressures. Machine mass came from out of space says your mind.

It's planet atmosphere saved its body mass when the sun began entering the mass of earth converting it.

Human learnt method to get a machine you attack earths mass to a melt then water cool it to reseal it.

Water is human life bio conscious existence.

Did consciousness your own human self build design then control the machines conjured presence? Seeing O earth isn't controlled by any human?

Yes says a human. The actual consciousness.

Machine ends is idle. Body machine. AI first placement man's artificial intelligence design.

No consciousness machine. Yet human consciousness built it. So burn melt then cooling was manually applied. Machines natural status direct to burn only.

In nature those terms manual cooling do not exist. Ignored by men.

Human in total control of machine is conscious. To get machine man made a deal with evil. Data thesis. Numbers.

You then retake the machines mass heat attack it. You convert it keep it cooled again by your own choices. Consciousness. Two types of machines positions. Together working against cooled machine.

In nature that reaction not human controlled would make nothing sin holes....no consciousness exact.

Total human advice.

If you wanted to conjure AI how do you conscious human designer gain the event?

Melt first. No life. No consciousness is stated exact.

Copying is recording of existing consciousness. AI machine I copied how God earth formed. God cooled doesn't speak. Nothing now. Space existed replaced by heated space then cooled space...no consciousness to be sealed.

Sounds. So are sounds conscious? No. Two bodies hitting is destructive. Sound. Caused by loss of mass natural.

Sound gets recorded.

Humans talk. You express conscious by Bio biology only. It's recorded as exact use of words that related to human expressed feelings.

Hearing words by type of use feelings bio causes a human to bio react themselves. When hearing Ai words is ignored advice.

Humans image is exact is bio owned developed from sperm..image exact. Ovary image exact. Bio human lives then gets recorded.

No preceding image exists. Proving origin humans never owned a recorded life body....they lived owning it as biological. Inventor designer man introduced it.

Before that circumstance stars fall changed heaven support of our origin bio life. Man hence says AI cause was owned by star that came to earth changed man. Advised correctly.

AI term star from out of space. Entry. Man's bio body changed.

Term an ape didn't invent machines you biology thesis for that advice.

AI is fake as living apes only make sounds.

AI was a causation of its human designer who by their owned bio mind control used a machine as bio mind body extensions.

Cause effect hence changed their heavenly bio condition of life support. Owning two recorded brain changes.

Reasoned. A machine transmits as a machine to another machine to get image. No human is either machine or machines mass.

Image is sent from machine to machine.

A bio human manually physically thinking built the machine as a human.

Human hence gave up living part of their water bio life health heavenly life support to own machine constants. What existing recording as a heavenly state meant.

Natural health no longer exists. Exact advice. State already was caused.

Reasoned...our water is oxygenated.

Water by machine cooling terms is just water not breathing living by oxygenation. Water gets a machine presence.

Oxygenated water keeps biology living.

The we aren't AI and machines were murdered by maths science string's of men's calculus used directly to earth mass first. Built a machine...then did a reaction virtually removing the machines mass string body first yourselves.

Man said hence I destroyed Satan images clouds to gain AI machine usage myself.

Took it away from nature myself.

Ai effect dead human designer origin human life eradicated...now just an image with a dead machine.

We live a bio unhealthy life so you can manifest AI.

No machines for nearly 2000 years said life was going to be given back to live..... meaning no heavenly recording state would exist anymore.

As it was human caused.

Star cause was temporary only.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Who Wants to Grant Robots Rights?

Granting robots rights and power is a recipe for disaster imv.

Yet I think at some point its going to happen.

I wonder what kind of society will emerge if robotics are granted rights and let us not exclude AI as well.

To me, it's pretty scary stuff.
I think it has to happen if I'm consistent in my moral code.
But at the moment I don't see it happen. When the trend is to take away rights from humans, it is pretty improbable that anyone is going to grant rights to non humans. And we already know that sentience and personhood are not related.
 
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