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Flashback: "Russia, If You're Listening..."
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Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
They were obviously listening. The only question now is to what degree did Trump enable them?
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
OK. Why Russia?
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Because this is part of their long term strategy under the paradigm of Eurasionism.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And I supposed i was only coincidence that, according to our intelligence investigation, Russia hacked into the DNC's computer less than 24 hours after the speech?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That would be really quite idiotic, as I mentioned on another thread. Do you really expect the Russians under Putin to admit any wrongdoing, especially in light of what often happens with people who "disappoint" Putin?
It might be because Russians have developed a reputation as effective hackers over the years. They're obviously smarter and more talented than our own computer geeks - the same people who have been selling Americans crappy software at inflated prices. Our own "experts" couldn't find the missing e-mails, but the Russians could?
That's what we should be paying attention to here. Fact is, the Russians outmaneuvered us, outclassed us, and outsmarted us. They made our own techies look bad, and that was a serious blow to a lot of hubristic egos of people who thought they were better than everyone else. That's what this is all about, but rather than graciously accept defeat and strive to do better next time, a lot of people are acting like a bunch of indignant, sanctimonious victims. That's what makes America look weak.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
IMHO, it's the people acting like a bunch of indignant, sanctimonious, nothing wrong, nothing to see here enablers of and BFFs of the Russians who are the problem.
I don't see it as "nothing wrong." Obviously, a lot of things are wrong. But realistically, what can we do about those "darn Russians"? What do you think they're plotting? To take over the world? This whole discussion is turning into "War of the Worlds."
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Allegedly hacked, and the invitation is still open.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
We know exactly what they're plotting. It's called Eurasianism, and the short version is they want to destabilise "The West" and establish themselves as the hegemonic overlords of satelites covering most of Europe and Asia. If this sounds familiar, it's because they have a history of this sort of thing. The only difference is that they are trying "soft power" tactics this time, where in the past it was very much military power. The end goal is the same.
Seriously, this isn't conspiracy theory stuff, Eurasionism is the acknowledged guiding principle of the modern Russian state. You can look all this stuff up in detail. Plenty of good podcasts about it oht there, too, if that's how you like to get info.
As for "what can we do about it"? Well that's the million dollar question. I don't have an answer for what we should do. What we SHOULDN'T do, however, is give Putin an inch we don't have to.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I don't endorse blindly racing off to DO SOMETHING for the sake of being seen to do something. That's how we keep getting dragged into the Middle East quagmires. However, I certainly agree that racing off to give away whatever advantages we may have is not helpful either, nor is letting Russia run about roughshod on the world stage without even a semblance of holding them to account.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'd ask the same of the Democrats back in the 1996 campaign. Why China ?
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Because Russia was/is the scapegoat when votes and elections in Europe didn't go the way the powers that be wanted them to. Russian trolls even got blamed for Germanies Merkel for not getting more votes even though she won but in the end it was concluded that it was far- right wingers from the U.S. that meddled in their elections. By meddled I mean some people made some unfavourable comments about Merkel on Youtube, made some memes and posted on forums ( I am one of these meddlers apparently though I am not far-right nor Russian or even a troll) basically, anything less than positive about Merkel just like Hillary could get you branded as either a deplorable or a Russian- you can't makes this stuff up, but they did.
Germany election: U.S. right-wing voices meddling more than Russia
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Could we maybe keep the kneejerk whataboutisms confined to the last 20 years?