FLDS found 100% innocent in courts

[idea]

FLDS Innocent!!!

How easily brainwashed by the media some of you are - tsk tsk
– there was no child abuse, courts ruled CPS was entirely out of line. All children are to be returned to their families within 10 days. CPS of course trying to fight the ruling, they actually went back to the compound to try and gain more evidence, but they were not granted a search warrant, and were stopped at the gates by guards.

Be careful when you listen to sensationalized media. Learn to think for yourself and not be brainwashed next time guys… Children were taken away from their parents at gun point because of religious beliefs – that is what happened here, not child abuse.

Quotes:
http://messengerandadvocate.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/texas-appeals-court-frees-flds-children/

links to all related news articles / court case / etc…
The appellate court immediately picked up on the fact there was absolutely no evidence supporting the allegation that all 400 plus children were in immediate physical danger. They also pointed out that targeting the FLDS belief system was not sufficient to meet the statutory requirements.
The appellate court did not buy the state’s argument that the entire FLDS ranch was one household and that the fact that a few minor girls appeared to be pregnant, or who had given birth necessitated the removal of every child at the ranch:
The appellate court concluded its opinion by noting that not only did the state not carry its burden of proof, but that the trial court, Judge Walther, abused her discretion in making the findings and rulings that she did. Judge Walther could and should have returned those children when she conducted what turned out to be a kangaroo court.

In short, this is very much a victory for the FLDS mothers who brought the appeal. More important, it is a victory for due process, which was sorely lacking in this case. It is a victory for the rule of law. It is a victory for the First Amendment. It is a victory for these innocent children who did absolutely nothing wrong, yet were wrenched from their lives, families and homes by the State of Texas because of what their parents believed and practiced as a religion. Let’s hope the children are reunited as quickly as they were yanked away from their mothers by Texas!

Breath taking! They provide shallow conclusions emphatically rejected by the appellate court. And, they still provide absolutely no credible evidence to support those baseless allegations. Despite the CPS chant over and over again of a pervasive pattern of sexual abuse out at the ranch, not one–repeat–not one individual has been charged with any crime. It makes my head spin.

 

[Aqualung]

Children were taken away from their parents at gun point because of religious beliefs – that is what happened here, not child abuse.

This is why the government sucks. It tries to make things better, but in reality, the majority of what they do only serves to make things worse. Do I think the people in this community were particularly spectacular parents? Not if even what half the media says is true. But are they better off being shuttled around from one foster home to the next after having been detached from their crying and screaming mothers? Not even if the media is 100% right.

 

[dragon_queen_mama]

why would the government do that?

they are guilty. :yes:

 

[idea]

they are guilty. :yes:

did you bother to read the article? Tell you what, the next time CPS busts down your door, accuses you of rape, and takes your children away from you with NO EVIDENCE be sure to remember your statements here. Do you appreciate your freedoms? are you willing to be ruled by a military state? Do you have any idea what horrors were perpetrated on these people? In the US? As a parent I am outraged. Heads need to roll for this.


Why would any government do this? Do you not understand history - do you not see how the other half of the world is living - right now? If you are an American, is this how you also want to live?

 

[dragon_queen_mama]

did you bother to read the article? Tell you what, the next time CPS busts down your door, accuses you of rape, and takes your children away from you with NO EVIDENCE be sure to remember your statements here. Do you appreciate your freedoms? are you willing to be ruled by a military state? Do you have any idea what horrors were perpetrated on these people? In the US? As a parent I am outraged. Heads need to roll for this.

Why would any govornment do this? Do you not understand history - do you not see how the other half of the world is living - right now? If you are an American, is this how you also want to live?

you know that the FLDS abuse their children, right? you ever read that book escape? carolyn jessop, a former member has seen and been through the abuse. you really think she would lie about it when her life was at risk?

you think that its all false? nice pipe dream. and nice try with the scare tactics.

 

[lilithu]

why would the government do that?

they are guilty. :yes:

Right, if the govt arrests you then you must be guilty, because they wouldn't arrest you if you were innocent. :areyoucra

So... why bother with trials and evidence and such? :slap:

 

[idea]

you know that the FLDS abuse their children, right? you ever read that book escape? carolyn jessop, a former member has seen and been through the abuse. you really think she would lie about it when her life was at risk?

you think that its all false? nice pipe dream. and nice try with the scare tactics.

One person has a grudge, leaves the church with hurt feelings, and that is who you will believe? There are a lot of ex LDS members who say crazy things about us too but that does not make it true. There is a saying, they can leave the church, but they cannot leave it alone. They have to justify their actions, so they create all these wild stories to try and vindicate themself.

Again, there is NO EVIDENCE - the courts found every last one of them innocent, the children are finally being returned to their families - or did you miss that part?

 

[Katzpur]

I seriously wish you hadn't started this thread in the LDS DIR forum. How can we LDS ever hope to help people make the distinction between the LDS and the FLDS with threads about the FLDS in the LDS DIR? Please consider asking a member of the staff to move this thread to some other forum. Thanks!

 

[lilithu]

Again, there is NO EVIDENCE - the courts found every last one of them innocent, the children are finally being returned to their families - or did you miss that part?

I wouldn't say that the court found them all innocent. What the court ruled is that there was insufficient evidence to prove they were guilty. In this country, we assume innocence until guilt is proven (well, that's the ideal anyway), so they had no right to take the kids away.

I don't know whether there was abuse or not. I do know that taking the kids from their families has been extremely traumatic for them. Unless there was absolutely glaring evidence of abuse, which there was not, it should not have been done.

 

[Aqualung]

you know that the FLDS abuse their children, right? you ever read that book escape? carolyn jessop, a former member has seen and been through the abuse. you really think she would lie about it when her life was at risk?

you think that its all false? nice pipe dream. and nice try with the scare tactics.

And because SHE was a victim of abuse (assuming that what she said was true, and not just good book-writing skills), then of course EVERYBODY in that area abuses their people. That's why when my neighbour's children were taken away because of abuse, mine were, too, as were those of everybody else on the block. It spreads like teh wildfire!

 

[kai]

well thats amazing it was all over the news when it happened and now nothing if it wasnt for tis thread i would never had known unless i searched it up.

 

[Smoke]

I wouldn't say that the court found them all innocent. What the court ruled is that there was insufficient evidence to prove they were guilty. In this country, we assume innocence until guilt is proven (well, that's the ideal anyway), so they had no right to take the kids away.

I don't know whether there was abuse or not. I do know that taking the kids from their families has been extremely traumatic for them. Unless there was absolutely glaring evidence of abuse, which there was not, it should not have been done.

The guardian ad litem of one of the children was on Larry King the other night. While she strongly believed the children should be returned to their parents and that the State of Texas had mishandled the entire matter, she did say that the courts have not determined that there was no abuse, just that sufficient grounds to seize the children didn't exist.

 

[Dunemeister]

she did say that the courts have not determined that there was no abuse, just that sufficient grounds to seize the children didn't exist.

So at this time the courts have determined nothing about what abuse, if any, was done on the ranch, is that right? All they've said is that the authorities didn't have sufficient cause to seize the children? Interesting. Does that mean that they didn't have sufficient cause to seize as many children as they did or any at all?

 

[Smoke]

So at this time the courts have determined nothing about what abuse, if any, was done on the ranch, is that right? All they've said is that the authorities didn't have sufficient cause to seize the children? Interesting. Does that mean that they didn't have sufficient cause to seize as many children as they did or any at all?

As far as I know, they haven't established cause to seize any of them.

 

[Ephramsdaughter]

If it isn't about a religion that abhors them, then one has to wonder why the CPS are not out in every town and city of Texas rounding up every underage pregnant girl/mother, arresting the boyfriend for rape and charging the parents with permitting sexual abuse of a minor!

 

[Aqualung]

If it isn't about a religion that abhors them, then one has to wonder why the CPS are not out in every town and city of Texas rounding up every underage pregnant girl/mother, arresting the boyfriend for rape and charging the parents with permitting sexual abuse of a minor!

It's the polygamy that abhors them. People can abuse their children, fine. But have multiples? Lordy, that's unchristian!

 

[madhatter85]

please move this thread out of the LDS DIR, thanks

 

[Aqualung]

Why? It's a latter day saints forum. It's not a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints forum. Judging by the title, this forum is for things that have to do with latter-day saints in general, not just those latter-day saints who are members of one distinct, specific sect of the latter-day saints' movement.

 

[McBell]

FLDS found 100% innocent in courts

There is a difference between "found 100% innocent" and "there is not enough evidence."

 

[rocka21]

If it isn't about a religion that abhors them, then one has to wonder why the CPS are not out in every town and city of Texas rounding up every underage pregnant girl/mother, arresting the boyfriend for rape and charging the parents with permitting sexual abuse of a minor!

Do they marry under the age of the Law?

You must not be allowed to " marry off" 13 year olds.


Do you really think this is about underage girls and there " boyfriends"? or is it about brainwashed teenagers getting married underage?