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food rules

LilyPhoenix

Member
I was wondering what rules are there on food in Buddhism ?
i am vegetarian but i do drink coffee and other things that have caffeine in it is this allowed ?
 

Shuddhasattva

Well-Known Member
don't eat suffering.

this is not a legalistic religion unless you're taking full vinaya.

Actually, dietary guidelines in Buddhism are very important, but not so much in terms of what you put in your mouth. That is very simple: don't eat suffering. A lot follows from that very simple premise, apply that as widely as you can. That means avoiding meat; avoiding anything that caused harm to any living creatures (a broader incentive to eat local, and support your farmers, to honor those who care for the earth, to select for more ecologically beneficial products, etc.)

But still this is the outer interactive meaning. The inner contemplative meaning of dietary practice is to develop mindfulness and gratitude, which co-informs your outer interaction, requiring it to avoid the complication of hypocrisy.

Be aware of the sources of your food abstractly and concretely; even as you chew your mouth should be full of mantra. Praying before food is of little point; do japa (loosely but not precisely: prayer) as you cook, as you eat, as you excrete. Life is the rosary on the wheel of time.

Be aware of taste, without attachment to it, understand its role as ministerial to your wellbeing.

Offer the sensory subsistence to the winds; skandhas have to be blown out on their lamplike offering heaps.

This means offering them to the empty void which is, somehow, the kernel of Self; self-awareness without the need to grasp at a constructed "I" or reify any grounds of existence.
 
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dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
Shuddhasattva said it best. Vegetarianism is a goal in Buddhism, as it causes no harm to animals. But, if you're a layperson, there's no rule against eating meat, except for a few things: you didn't watch the killing/cleaning; it wasn't prepared for specifically for you; and it seems like there's one or two more I can't remember. I've also seen teachings against the "four pungent foods" of onions, garlic, shallots, etc., but I personally don't follow this rule, and it's very specious at that.

Just be mindful, don't get attached, and don't cause suffering, and you'll be ok.
 

Secret Chief

Vetted Member
Call me picky, but does vegetarianism have to be a goal in Buddhism, since Siddhatha ate meat it can't be an obvious point can it?
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
Call me picky, but does vegetarianism have to be a goal in Buddhism, since Siddhatha ate meat it can't be an obvious point can it?

There's been quite a bit of debate on that. I think, ultimately, that it's an admirable goal, but not necessary. If one can do it, then they should, but if not, then it's not something to worry too much about.
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
What's the rationalization behind such teaching, or is it wholly arbitrary? Personally, there is no way I could ever go vegan without onions or garlic.

Me too. :D It has something to do, from what I understand, with how they affect the lungs, but I don't think there's anything to that, really.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Thanks for the thread. I'm aware that most Buddhists are vegetarian, but there are some that are not.

Are you allowed to be a pescetarian (you eat fish and seafood, but no other meat) if you're a Buddhist?
Buddha ate meat, so I don't see why not.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Again, it's up to the individual. Some Buddhist sects teach that it's permissible to eat meat as long as the animal is not slaughtered and butchered specifically for you, and you don't see it being done. Much of Japan traditionally relied on seafood, and Japan is heavily Buddhist. I think the same can be said of much of southeast Asia. China was (and probably still is) primarily Buddhist and relied on pigs, chickens and ducks, not to mention sea creatures along the sea coasts and rivers. Consider, however, that fish and other forms of sea creatures may very well feel pain, and die suffering. There is a way to cause instantaneous death to a fish, but given the volume of fish caught, most of them simply suffocate. Watch any Deadliest Catch tv show, or tv commercial for Gorton's, McDonald's or Red Lobster and see how they are dumped from the nets into holding tanks. Oysters are typically eaten alive. The sound made as a lobster is plunged into boiling water is not a vocalization of pain, but rather, air being expelled. However, this is not to say the lobster doesn't feel pain. I myself still eat seafood, though I may very well move away from it knowing now what I know.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Thanks. I'm pretty sure that the Tibetans eat meat despite being devout Buddhists, since they are a nomadic people and the ground in Tibet is not conducive to farming at 12,000 feet besides.

That's true, though I think the preference is to use the animals while alive to provide milk for butter and fermenting as a drink, hair, transportation and dung for fuel. Yak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Speaking of which, one Tibetan monk told me that it's better to eat, say six ounces of yak meat rather than six ounces of shrimp because the if you kill a yak, you sacrifice one life but you can feed a village, whereas with shrimp you need a dozen or so just to feed one person.

Is this a universal agreement among all Buddhist?

I never thought of that.
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
I think something that non-Buddhists have a misconception about is that if one is Buddhist, one has to be vegetarian. But this is not the case. Like I said earlier, it's a great ideal, but one that is not required. Some Mahayana schools monastic communities require vegetarianism, but this is about it. Jainarayan pointed out a lot of the detail in it.
 
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