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For Better or For Worse? The Sexual Revolution of the 60s and 70s.

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I'm curious about the full effects that the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s and 70s had on people and societies -- not just Western peoples and societies, either. So, what do you think some of those effects were, especially, perhaps, the less often noted effects? Which effects were mostly good, which were mostly bad? And why?

Did the Sexual Revolution impact men and women differently? If so, how?
 
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Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
I'm curious about the full effects that the Sexual Revolution of the 1960s and 70s had on societies -- not just Western societies, either. So, what do you think some of those effects were, especially, perhaps, the less often noted effects? Which effects were mostly good, which were mostly bad? And why?

Did the Sexual Revolution impact men and women differently? If so, how?

Wasn't even a fetus back then, so sadly I cannot comment. :cool:
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member


Wasn't even a fetus back then, so sadly I cannot comment. :cool:

LOL! Please allow me to suggest something, then: It seems highly likely to me that the current practice of "friends with benefits" would never have developed without the Sexual Revolution. Do you have any opinions about "friends with benefits"? Is it mostly a good thing, a bad thing? Does it have a differing impact on men and women?

Just trying to get the ball rolling.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
LOL! Please allow me to suggest something, then: It seems highly likely to me that the current practice of "friends with benefits" would never have developed without the Sexual Revolution. Do you have any opinions about "friends with benefits"? Is it mostly a good thing, a bad thing? Does it have a differing impact on men and women?

Just trying to get the ball rolling.

I guess it depends on people's attitudes towards sex and intimacy. Personally I think "Friends with Benefits" can be a good thing, kinda like "try before you buy".

Personally, I do not like the "old" trend of women basically being expected to be virgin, pure wives. Look at some of the recent trends in the UK, China and some Muslim countries: Hymen restoration surgery for women who're afraid they're newly-wed husbands will go ape if they find out they didn't marry a virgin.

So ultimately I think it's been a good thing.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Good in that sexual issues were talked about more.
Bad in that there was an increase in STDs and unwed pregnancies.
Ramifications for women were they had a baby to take care of by themselves.
Ramifications for men were that they realized that they didn't need to stick around and make a commitment.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Good in that sexual issues were talked about more.

I'd agree with you there.

Bad in that there was an increase in STDs and unwed pregnancies.

Were an increase in STDs and unwed pregnancies necessary developments? Or could they have been averted while there was still a Sexual Revolution?

Ramifications for women were they had a baby to take care of by themselves.
Ramifications for men were that they realized that they didn't need to stick around and make a commitment.

Any other ramifications?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I guess it depends on people's attitudes towards sex and intimacy. Personally I think "Friends with Benefits" can be a good thing, kinda like "try before you buy".

Do you think the Revolution might have lessened the value of women in any way?
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Do you think the Revolution might have lessened the value of women in any way?

It may have fragmented the traditional expectation of them being pure virgins etc, which I think is a good thing. If anything I think allowing women to have greater sexual expression and liberty has increased their "value" - it shows that women have sexual needs/desires along with men, which contributes to society realizing that women are human too. In my opinion anyways.

It's less about them being pristine dolls for a pedestal, and more about them being human like everyone else.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Were an increase in STDs and unwed pregnancies necessary developments? Or could they have been averted while there was still a Sexual Revolution?



Any other ramifications?

Actually, with the increase in knowledge and availability of birth control, I could be wrong about the pregnancies.

I am sure there were more, say, in the areas of porn and gay rights, but I guess it's up to one's opinion whether or not they were positive or negative.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Actually, with the increase in knowledge and availability of birth control, I could be wrong about the pregnancies.

It's an interesting fact that the highest rates of teen pregnancies in US history were attained during the 1950s, prior to the Sexual Revolution. The typical pattern at the time, however, was for pregnant teens to get married, rather than have the children out of wedlock.

I suspect that made for some interesting marriages.

I am sure there were more, say, in the areas of porn and gay rights, but I guess it's up to one's opinion whether or not they were positive or negative.

Polls taken since the 60s and 70s have consistently shown that about nine out of ten married Americans had per-marital sex. Do you think that, overall, that's a good thing or a bad thing?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member


It may have fragmented the traditional expectation of them being pure virgins etc, which I think is a good thing. If anything I think allowing women to have greater sexual expression and liberty has increased their "value" - it shows that women have sexual needs/desires along with men, which contributes to society realizing that women are human too. In my opinion anyways.

It's less about them being pristine dolls for a pedestal, and more about them being human like everyone else.

Interesting points! I think, today, Westerners generally expect any serious relationship to involved sex. Do you think, however, that puts undue pressure on men and/or women to have sex when they don't really want to?
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Interesting points! I think, today, Westerners generally expect any serious relationship to involved sex. Do you think, however, that puts undue pressure on men and/or women to have sex when they don't really want to?

Of course, just like nowadays there's more pressure to be "fashionable" and have high standards of material possessions etc.


 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member


Of course, just like nowadays there's more pressure to be "fashionable" and have high standards of material possessions etc.



I haven't been able to fully reconcile myself to a media driven world. Of course, the old small community gossip driven world wasn't much better, really, and in most ways might have been worse.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
I haven't been able to fully reconcile myself to a media driven world. Of course, the old small community gossip driven world wasn't much better, really, and in most ways might have been worse.

That's fair enough. I guess I'm talking outside of my experience since I wasn't around "back then". :eek:

Do you think people are under more pressure to have sex nowadays, if so - what do you attribute it to primarily?
 

Wherenextcolumbus

Well-Known Member
Interesting points! I think, today, Westerners generally expect any serious relationship to involved sex. Do you think, however, that puts undue pressure on men and/or women to have sex when they don't really want to?

That actually reminds me, I remember seeing years ago an old couple on a chat show who have never had sex before.
I think unusual couples like that are sweet. If I never met by boyfriend I think I could totally marry a friend I really loved, not have sex with them, and allow them to date other people if they wanted to.
Me and my gay male friend onced joked that we would marry each other if my boyfriend died prematurely and I could have access to his library :p
 

Wherenextcolumbus

Well-Known Member
मैत्रावरुणिः;3480595 said:
Danggg, that dude got friend-zoned so bad that he appeared on a chat show.

That dude didn't want to have sex either
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
That's fair enough. I guess I'm talking outside of my experience since I wasn't around "back then". :eek:


The small-community, gossip driven world (I myself only experienced the last few, terrifying, moments of it) was so much like a Jane Austin novel, in some important ways. Everything could depend on your reputation, the family you came from, the community you belonged to, and your status within that community.

And, to tie all of that into this thread, a young woman's life could be ruined if she gained a rep for having had sex outside of marriage. Not only could she no longer expect to marry a "respectable" man, but she was now expected to have sex with any man willing to pay for her supper and a movie. You can read old novels about women made social outcasts because of a single sexual encounter -- or even the appearance of one. Perhaps, though, those books don't convey how common it was for women to be made outcasts.

All that began to change, in the small town I was growing up in, with the arrival of rumors from the East and West coasts (and, to be accurate, from the UK, too) that there was this wholly crazy, entirely improbable, ridiculous revolution going on. I still can recall one of my more conservative teachers telling us it likely meant the end of the Republic and its conquest by Russia.

Do you think people are under more pressure to have sex nowadays, if so - what do you attribute it to primarily?
More pressure? Absolutely not! I differ from a lot of people in that opinion, I suppose. But I'll wager (mostly) men have been routinely pressuring women to have sex without any commitment since well before some of us domesticated sheep for that purpose.

One of the main things the Sexual Revolution did, in my opinion, is that it allowed women to retain their social respectability, their status, their marriage prospects, and even their employability, while indulging themselves in sex outside of marriage.

But did it increase the pressure on them to have sex? I seriously doubt that.
 
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