For humanity... your life?

[an anarchist]

Would you pull a Jesus and die for all of humanity?

Not only die, but live an uncomfortable life. Would you let yourself be driven insane for the sake of humanity? Would you give up normalcy for the salvation of all?

I, for one, would not.

 

[an anarchist]

I am a selfish coward. I know this. Intelligence is my strong suit, not courage or selflessness.

 

[Secret Chief]

Would you pull a Jesus and die for all of humanity?

Not only die, but live an uncomfortable life. Would you let yourself be driven insane for the sake of humanity? Would you give up normalcy for the salvation of all?

I, for one, would not.

Why would I want to do this?

 

[an anarchist]

Why would I want to do this?

Like if you care about other humans (e.g. all of humanity) more than yourself.

I care about myself more. Group therapist brought up this week that I might have some narcissism disorder tho so maybe that's why I value myself more ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Father Heathen]

Do I get to come back after three days?

 

[Secret Chief]

Like if you care about other humans (e.g. all of humanity) more than yourself.

I care about myself more. Group therapist brought up this week that I might have some narcissism disorder tho so maybe that's why I value myself more ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't care more or less for other humans. I care the most for those species which are not denuding the biosphere, have initiated the Holocene extinction and caused the global climate catastrophe.

 

[sun rise]

Would you pull a Jesus and die for all of humanity?

Not only die, but live an uncomfortable life. Would you let yourself be driven insane for the sake of humanity? Would you give up normalcy for the salvation of all?

I, for one, would not.

First, death comes to all, sooner or later, so to me it's the suffering of the Christ that is redemptive.

As to willingness, the survey question, I voted that I am willing but heaven know if I would have the courage to stick with that decision. I'm far from strong willed and my aspirational "yes" vote could vanish in an instant. But I would at least try.

 

[ChristineM]

Would you pull a Jesus and die for all of humanity?

No.
Sorry for the verbose reply.

but live an uncomfortable life.

Been there, done that, don't like it.

Would you let yourself be driven insane for the sake of humanity?

If humanity was reciprocal then I'd think about it.

Would you give up normalcy

What is normalcy?

for the salvation of all?

Didn't work last time so...

 

[sun rise]

Didn't work last time so...

From an Eastern perspective, thousands of years is nothing and each Avatar, I include Jesus, takes another step forward. By some reckoning we are at the end of the great dark (kali) yuga of all time after which the Avatar works to usher in a great golden age. The transition is marked by the Avatar riding a white horse:

In some Vaishnava texts, Kalki is forecasted to appear on a white horse on the day of pralaya (destruction) to end Kali Yuga, to end the evil and wickedness, and to recreate the world anew along with A New Cycle Of Time (Yuga). Kalki's description varies with manuscripts.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Would you pull a Jesus and die for all of humanity?

I don't think humanity can be helped. The writing is pretty much on the wall for me. Humanity will not go extinct from climate change, and the beasts will pay a high price for man's selfish stupidity, but humanity will suffer a major correction, the survivors hopefully evolving enough morally to do better than Humanity 2023.

I also don't like most of humanity that I've encountered lately whether directly or via the news. I used to, but that's all changed, and caused me to redefine my humanism. It's not all of humanity that I admire or love or see hope or nobility in, just those with humanist values (reason over faith, tolerance over religious and other bigotries, equity over privilege, etc.). If your worldview is authoritarian or theocratic or accumulating wealth without limit, you only matter to me in a cautionary sense.

I find myself barely able to muster any empathy for the Palestinians. Sure, many are victims of circumstance, but they can consider this practice for the herd thinning, dislocation and privation that climate change will bring their children and their children's children. Those circumstances are terrible and will only be getting worse whatever happens there now. Who knows - maybe those surviving through the year in Gaza will come to understand the need to cooperate with their neighbors, or maybe their religions will continue to inform their hatreds unto their extinction. They both work for the rest of the world, and it's nature's way.

Climate change changes everything. I see only one outcome there, and it's not a good one for anybody living into the last half of this century or for a good while to come thereafter. Paradoxically, things look optimistic to me for those who live through the correction into next century, but not before then.

Also, I weep more for the beasts than humanity.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Would you pull a Jesus and die for all of humanity?

Not only die, but live an uncomfortable life. Would you let yourself be driven insane for the sake of humanity? Would you give up normalcy for the salvation of all?

I, for one, would not.

Me? No, I don't hold humans that high enough in my esteem and as to being special enough to die for. And as per the previous comments, I feel more sad for all the non-human life that suffers because we are on Earth. Not sure it will get any better either unless we do see religious beliefs gradually fading into the past more quickly than they appear to be doing.

 

[osgart]

I measure human worth in terms of charity, and benevolence. I don't think most humans have these qualities or society is not built to value such qualities. Humanity is also starved of reason and education. Most religions are blind and totally unnecessary. There is a void that religion fills in many people's lives, but it's most often untruthful. That void needs be filled with far better things.

I'll gladly give people appreciative deserve but I go no further then that. I would die for people I love, but not for those I don't know. Life is often about getting things right the first time. How many people offer second chances? I wonder.
Salvation is a myth. Nobody gets saved. To change course takes willingness, and a fundamental change in society's systems, institutions. Capitalism does a few things extremely well, and it also destroys the planet in the process. No other economic system works because people are addicted to selfish living. Capitalism needs a counter balance.

I'd gladly help make life better for everyone, but not at my full expense. That's a job for the whole of humanity. Being a saviour, or commiting total sacrifice for humanity is not even sane, nor necessary. It ain't even real.

 

[PureX]

Would you pull a Jesus and die for all of humanity?

Not only die, but live an uncomfortable life. Would you let yourself be driven insane for the sake of humanity? Would you give up normalcy for the salvation of all?

I, for one, would not.

I would suspect any 'deity' making me that kind of offer would likely be lying.

 

[Unfettered]

I'm not there yet.

 

[The Hammer]

Would you give up normalcy

No such thing is normal. We all suffer. What you do here and now is whether or not your suffering is towards humanity or not.

 

[The Hammer]

Not sure it will get any better either unless we do see religious beliefs gradually fading into the past more quickly than they appear to be doing.

Oh? What about us Religious Nature oriented Conservationists? Should we just fade out of existence?

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Would you pull a Jesus and die for all of humanity?

Not only die, but live an uncomfortable life. Would you let yourself be driven insane for the sake of humanity? Would you give up normalcy for the salvation of all?

I, for one, would not.

Yes.
While I agree with @It Aint Necessarily So in post #10 above; I also see humans as the ONLY hope for the future, as grim as that statement is.
Also, I have children. For them and future generations (who had nothing to do with the rampant stupidity of humanity's past), I would sacrifice myself willingly to save them, and the hope of a better future that they represent.

I don't see this as an Interfaith Discussion however, since the "sacrifice to save humanity" that I'm speaking of would be a very real and literal sacrifice of my life to save the lives of many sort of deal.

e.g. :

 

[an anarchist]

No such thing is normal. We all suffer. What you do here and now is whether or not your suffering is towards humanity or not.

Hmm.

So, you suffer regardless.

But perhaps by being selfish, you suffer less.

 

[an anarchist]

Not sure it will get any better either unless we do see religious beliefs gradually fading into the past more quickly than they appear to be doing.

Oh? What about us Religious Nature oriented Conservationists? Should we just fade out of existence?

I think @The Hammer brings up an excellent counter point.

However, such a discussion on whether religion is a contributing factor to human and animal suffering versus it being beneficial is beyond the scope of this thread.

 

[an anarchist]

I think @The Hammer brings up an excellent counter point.

However, such a discussion on whether religion is a contributing factor to human and animal suffering versus it being beneficial is beyond the scope of this thread.

Well I suppose it could be a point in the thread, now I'm thinking.

The fact that humans are religious can be a deciding factor on whether or not you would save humanity, depending on your opinion on religion.